Is atheism a belief?

ratiocinator said:

Which is logically contradictory - a god would have to exist to be the source of existence.



So now you are suggesting that things that are "worthy" somehow pop into existence? You are making no sense whatsoever.

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Well is it possible to explain to me your enlightened concept

I hear you now and you have microphones
All the audience listen to you and carry notes, to record notes prefer

Tell us your insight into understanding the origin of existence

ArtieE said:

Yes. Why would God exist? "What would be the origins of and the purpose of and the meaning of and the reason for its existence?"
What? If he was the only worthy of existence you and I wouldn't exist...

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ratiocinator said:

Which is logically contradictory - a god would have to exist to be the source of existence.



So now you are suggesting that things that are "worthy" somehow pop into existence? You are making no sense whatsoever.

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God is the one who does not die and does not need food or propagation and does not carry out his energy and does not get tired or sleep and is a permanent existence and is the origin of all the universe, which brought us to life, and created everything by the amounts (Ingredients)

When you do a digital undo as an example, we are now number 1245215
If we retreat, we will reach one number, which is God, the origin of existence
The reason for the existence of the first source is because it is worthy to be the first source, God is not rigid materials that are recycled

Who do you think is responsible for us?
Which materials can we recycle?
Or the pictured creatures and statues in the history books that ended their existence?
All of these propaganda materials are recycled but the main source is God
If I say that the existence from nothing, how we came? And if I say recycled materials? Well, who created it make it? Who created this materials


Whichever is more rational
I say that the origion existence came from recyceld rigid materials or that there is a living creator in the beginning
If we assume the existence of rigid materials, who created it?
And how do you think we came out? Without a plan drawn up?
Have you heard that someone designs a building without an engineer?
Has to be a source right?
In short, the first source of creation, which we say God is the one who created us

Not believing in Him and rejecting Him is a betrayal of Him and a denial that God has done good to you
Because he created you well and gave you the mind and you have painful sensations in case you hit him in your body so as not to cause damage to your body
It is not appropriate to deny who did best to you who give you all good
I advise you to believe in one God (the source of existence) by Muslim faith
God does not reproduce and is not a human image if we compare the size of the universe to human sizes

j1i said:

Well is it possible to explain to me your enlightened concept

I hear you now and you have microphones
All the audience listen to you and carry notes, to record notes prefer

Tell us your insight into understanding the origin of existence

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I have no idea why things exist - all I'm doing is pointing out the postulating a god doesn't help solve the mystery.

j1i said:

Whichever is more rational
I say that the origion existence came from recyceld rigid materials or that there is a living creator in the beginning
If we assume the existence of rigid materials, who created it?

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I have no idea why you're obsessing about "rigid materials" but why should we think there's a "who"?

j1i said:

And how do you think we came out? Without a plan drawn up?

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Why do you think there's a plan?

j1i said:

Have you heard that someone designs a building without an engineer?

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Have you ever heard of an engineer who didn't have any parents? All the evidence we have is that designers need universe to evolve in and exist in.

The rest of your post is just proclamations of your unevidenced and unreasoned faith position.

ratiocinator said:

I have no idea why things exist - all I'm doing is pointing out the postulating a god doesn't help solve the mystery.

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There is no puzzle
Things were clear and frank
We passed on the knowledge of the ancestors and the first source
But not every household head is good at caring for his family
Generations did not know the facts and sowed suspicions
Therefore God sent the prophets to understand and guide the lost people
He lied a lot and denied that God was sending prophets
Denial has reached a very critical stage until we are almost blind to see anything

This is my opinion and I thank you and wish you success

j1i said:

God is the one who does not die and does not need food or propagation and does not carry out his energy and does not get tired or sleep and is a permanent existence and is the origin of all the universe, which brought us to life, and created everything by the amounts (Ingredients)

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And why would there be a god instead of no god, existence instead of no existence?

When you do a digital undo as an example, we are now number 1245215
If we retreat, we will reach one number, which is God, the origin of existence

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Which is logically impossible since god would have to exist in the first place to be the origin of anything.

The reason for the existence of the first source is because it is worthy to be the first source, God is not rigid materials that are recycled

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What does this mean? Please restate.

Who do you think is responsible for us?

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Our parents.

Which materials can we recycle?

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Here is some information about which materials can be recycled. Which Materials Can You Recycle? - dummies

Has to be a source right?

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If so, what is the source of your god? If your god has no source, clearly a source is not required...

I advise you to believe in one God (the source of existence) by Muslim faith

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It is impossible for a logical and rational being to believe in your god as the source of existence simply because this god would have to exist in the first place to be a source of anything.

ArtieE said:

And why would there be a god instead of no god, existence instead of no existence?Which is logically impossible since god would have to exist in the first place to be the origin of anything.What does this mean? Please restate.Our parents.Here is some information about which materials can be recycled. Which Materials Can You Recycle? - dummiesIf so, what is the source of your god? If your god has no source, clearly a source is not required...It is impossible for a logical and rational being to believe in your god as the source of existence simply because this god would have to exist in the first place to be a source of anything.

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ratiocinator said:

I have no idea why you're obsessing about "rigid materials" but why should we think there's a "who"?



Why do you think there's a plan?



Have you ever heard of an engineer who didn't have any parents? All the evidence we have is that designers need universe to evolve in and exist in.

The rest of your post is just proclamations of your unevidenced and unreasoned faith position.

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i need answer this

Whichever is more rational
I say that the origion existence came from recyceld rigid materials or that there is a living creator in the beginning
If we assume the existence of rigid materials, who created it?
And how do you think we came out? Without a plan drawn up?
Have you heard that someone designs a building without an engineer?
Has to be a source right?
In short, the first source of creation, which we say God is the one who created us

j1i said:

i need answer this

Whichever is more rational
I say that the origion existence came from recyceld rigid materials or that there is a living creator in the beginning
If we assume the existence of rigid materials, who created it?
And how do you think we came out? Without a plan drawn up?
Have you heard that someone designs a building without an engineer?
Has to be a source right?
In short, the first source of creation, which we say God is the one who created us

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What would be the origins of and the purpose of and the meaning of and the reason for the existence of this god in the first place? Obviously "being worthy" isn't a logical and rational explanation...

j1i said:

i need answer this

Whichever is more rational
I say that the origion existence came from recyceld rigid materials or that there is a living creator in the beginning

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You're not actually addressing the points - just repeating yourself. Why are you on about "rigid materials" - what on earth do they have to do with anything?

j1i said:

If we assume the existence of rigid materials, who created it?

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Why do you think there is a "who"?

j1i said:

And how do you think we came out? Without a plan drawn up?

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What makes you think things are planned?

j1i said:

Have you heard that someone designs a building without an engineer?

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Where do engineers come from? Why would your creator exist - just randomly, by accident, without a designer?

ratiocinator said:

You're not actually addressing the points - just repeating yourself. Why are you on about "rigid materials" - what on earth do they have to do with anything?



Why do you think there is a "who"?



What makes you think things are planned?



Where do engineers come from? Why would your creator exist - just randomly, by accident, without a designer?

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Why do you enter a religious forum when you do not believe in religion
There is a desire in yourself to know you are not sure of your concept as an atheist
Because you believe that there is a secret and your heart longs to know the secrets

If you want to put an explanation for the existence of a Creator in the first place
What is the explanation of your existence as a thinker and has a desire to try to show himself superior in dialogues
you does not live more than 100 years and speak as if he existed billions of years ago
The 100-year-old creature is smarter, analytical in finding the truth while the truth was billions of years ago in the universe.

Man did not exist before the existence of the earth, he has no right to deny the existence of a maker without evidence
Because you can not prove yourself right to reason and conclusion and your right to object to the truth of God
There is no God = no mind (no reason to think)

j1i said:

Man did not exist before the existence of the earth, he has no right to deny the existence of a maker without evidence

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Rational humans require evidence in order to accept a claim about matters of fact. There is no evidence (that I have so far seem) for any of the thousands of gods humans have come up with.

j1i said:

There is no God = no mind (no reason to think)

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Non sequitur.

ratiocinator said:

Rational humans require evidence in order to accept a claim about matters of fact. There is no evidence (that I have so far seem) for any of the thousands of gods humans have come up with.



Non sequitur.

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Do not forget my friend that we are human beings live a maximum of 100 or 150 years and our life cycle ends
The universe has high techniques for survival and continues to survive
How can we think that we are a thinker, a genius and a sane person and then claim that this universe is not sane?
Why does universe survive in life and organization while you simply disappear after a few years
The universe is wiser than us and smarter because it has the tools to survive
It is really because God has estimated the ages of the creatures and we live a few lives

Thank you my friend for participating
Please do not take me if my response did not suit the way you think
Wishing you success
Hugged

j1i said:

Do not forget my friend that we are human beings live a maximum of 100 or 150 years and our life cycle ends
The universe has high techniques for survival and continues to survive
How can we think that we are a thinker, a genius and a sane person and then claim that this universe is not sane?
Why does universe survive in life and organization while you simply disappear after a few years
The universe is wiser than us and smarter because it has the tools to survive

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Is this even serious? The longer something survives the wiser it is? So a rock is wiser than you?

j1i said:

It is really because God has estimated the ages of the creatures and we live a few lives

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Your evidence for this is....... missing.

adrian009 said:

Atheism could be defined as:

A person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.

Another way of phrasing it could be one who believes there is no God or gods.

I’m good with either definition but not everyone is. Maybe I shouldn’t be either.

What is the best definition of atheism and why can it be so difficult to define?

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Atheism is belief that there are no gods/there is no god. You will never know things you don't believe. However word belief is not the right word. Christian may not believe in Lord Rama. Muslims don't believe in some shinto god/goddesses. They don't believe in those gods/goddesses because they believe that they don't exist. However they know these gods.

anubhuti said:

Atheism is belief that there are no gods/there is no god. You will never no things you don't believe. However word belief is not the right word. Christian may not believe in Lord Rama. Muslims don't believe in some shinto god/goddesses. They don't believe in those gods/goddesses because they believe that they don't exist. However they know these gods.

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Atheism is the absence of belief in the existence of gods. You don't have to believe gods don't exist to be an atheist. The word literally means "not theist".

ArtieE said:

Atheism is the absence of belief in the existence of gods. You don't have to believe gods don't exist to be an atheist. The word literally means "not theist".

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Thats what I am trying to say. Atheism or theism is all about existence of gods. Not about Gods. Atheists rejected theist theory that god/gods exist. At least according to the origin of word atheism. Rejection of one belief set is belief in opposite or counter belief set. You believe that gods don't exist which means you don't have to believe in god/gods.If you are trying to say that early man had no belief in god/gods etc, then that is completely a different debate which is all about evolution etc. And also there are no proofs about belief of early man. Creationism is debatable, yes but still science(i am only talking abut science and scientists who are trying to verify religious beliefs not basic laws of science or contributions of sciences) is evolving unlike religion which concluded many things. Atheists concluded that gods don't exist. This is a belief. Religious people are pursuing their belief(they will know wether their believes are true or not only after they complete their journey ). This is of course different from material sciences. But it is kind of scientific.

anubhuti said:

Atheism is belief that there are no gods/there is no god. You will never no things you don't believe. However word belief is not the right word. Christian may not believe in Lord Rama. Muslims don't believe in some shinto god/goddesses. They don't believe in those gods/goddesses because they believe that they don't exist. However they know these gods.

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No, you're wrong about the whole thing because that's two different things. But you are right about the first part, "they don't believe." The "what" is what determine whether someone is a theist or atheist. The "why" is a different matter. If asked in the form of a question, the answer is either "yes" or "no." Any other answer is invalid.

Ask a Christian, "do you believe Thor exist?" His/her answer would be no. Now ask an atheist, "do you believe a god exist?" His/her answer would be no.

Are you a theist? If no, then you're an atheist, if yes, then you're a theist.

anubhuti said:

Atheism is belief that there are no gods/there is no god. You will never know things you don't believe. However word belief is not the right word. Christian may not believe in Lord Rama. Muslims don't believe in some shinto god/goddesses. They don't believe in those gods/goddesses because they believe that they don't exist. However they know these gods.

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Hard to know what you mean, exactly but-

The sentence in bold as written makes no sense.

There is nothing at all unusual about there being
things we do not believe until shown that they are so.

Fewer, I suppose, can cease to believe things when
shown that they are not so.

People who believe in Noahs ark for example, are
immune to learning.

Are you capable of believing that your "god" is
a myth?

Audie said:

Hard to know what you mean, exactly but-

The sentence in bold as written makes no sense.

There is nothing at all unusual about there being
things we do not believe until shown that they are so.

Fewer, I suppose, can cease to believe things when
shown that they are not so.

People who believe in Noahs ark for example, are
immune to learning.

Are you capable of believing that your "god" is
a myth?

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can you "not believe" in something that you cannot imagine/ that doesn't exist?

anubhuti said:

Thats what I am trying to say. Atheism or theism is all about existence of gods. Not about Gods. Atheists rejected theist theory that god/gods exist. At least according to the origin of word atheism. Rejection of one belief set is belief in opposite or counter belief set. You believe that gods don't exist

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No I don't. I'm an atheist. Sometimes called a weak atheist.

"Atheism is, in the broadest sense, an absence of belief in the existence of deities." Atheism - Wikipedia
"Atheism, broadly defined, it is the absence of belief in the existence of any gods." What is Atheism? What isn't Atheism?
"Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods." What is Atheism? | American Atheists
"Atheism is the lack of belief in a god or gods. That’s it." What is Atheism