There is definitely an urgent need for a book for Baha'is that helps them better understand Hinduism and the people of the Indian subcontinent.
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There is definitely an urgent need for a book for Baha'is that helps them better understand Hinduism and the people of the Indian subcontinent.
firedragon
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I will surely read it. But I dont judge anything by the disgruntled or the most elated brother. I try my best to go to the fundamentals. I hope you understand. Nevertheless thank you very much.
firedragon
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Brother. I dont conform to a covenant which is translated as human beings who act like God's appointed interpreters and that goes to Muslims as well. Nevertheless that is your faith and how it works and I am here to understand your faith. Not to demean it.
I would ask do you see submission as an important teaching given in the Quran?
Regards Tony
firedragon
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Brother. If this counts to understanding your faith, I am all for it so if you could give me your understanding it would be great.
What is your understanding of "Submission" or the arabic word SLM as depicted in the Quran?
I see submission is following the laws and guidance as given by Muhammad, the Messenger of God. That guidance and those laws become our thoughts and the way of life. Death is preferable than rejection of Muhammad and the Quran.
Regards Tony
sinistercurrent
Setian
Some years before I met some people who follow Bahá'u'lláh/Abdu'l-Baha/Shoghi Effendi. Most people with an academic background know that all traditional religions are not clear revelations, but have developed over hundred or thousand of years and were manifested in various traditions and confessions. Interesting for me was, that there is a religion that thematizes this as part of its own revelation.
firedragon
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With all due respect brother, thats not what submission means.
firedragon
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Have you now changed your views?
Please clear this for me if you dont mind. All traditional religions are not clear revelations but made evolved by human intervention? was that your view but later you changed your views?
Sorry if I didn't grasp what you said above.
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firedragon
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I have come to understand since of late that the Bahai's have a comprehensive collection of writings about all faiths with their light. I can't find the other book by Moojenn Momen about Hinduism.
firedragon
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Then?
Regards Tony
Submission is an English word that could represent many arabic words. Just like the English word Righteous. So dont get lost in the English word but try and understand with empathy to the language. Your definition is what have thought to your self. Anyway dont get hooked to a word. Because I can say "you submit to money" and that is also another form of submission. One can submit to the love of money, the worship of children, the worship of prophets, the worship of piers, the worship of your own ego. These are all from the theology as depicted in the Quran.
Submission is humility but strength when people call for your help as children and women are persecuted. Submission is when you feed someone but do not expect even a thank you. When you dont mock a people because of whatever reason just because they are a particular type of people, a genetic fallacy, is also submission (when you dont do it).
Think about it. The prophet Muhammed lived in the 7th century. Abraham was told to Aslim or to submit and he said Aslamthu lirabbil aalimeen, I submitted to Lord of the worlds. Abraham was before Muhammed.
firedragon
Veteran Member
If that is not submission to the Will of Allah for a Muslim.... Then?
Regards Tony
Err. Brother. You changed the personality of your question. I mean actually you changed your whole question. First your assessment was about the Quran as this is what you said "I would ask do you see submission as an important teaching given in the Quran?", you asked a simple "then???" to my response, and now you have changed your whole statement from the Quran, the word Submission to Muslims in general and "submission to the will of Allah" which is a completely different thing.
Why did you edit your question to change it completely from "Quran to Muslims" and "submission to submission to the will of Allah"?
I find that a bit strange. And this is probably the end of this discussion.
Have a great day.
I'm not too sure what you mean by "comprehensive collection of writings about all faiths". The sacred writings for Baha'is are those of Baha'u'llah as the Quran is for Muslims. Abdu'l-Baha became the leader of the Baha'i Faith after Baha'u'llah's passing May 1892 as instructed by Baha'u'llah in HIs will and Testament. Abdu'l-Baha was the authorised interpreter of Baha'u'llah's Revelation as was Shoghi Effendi after him. The Universal House of Justice became the head of the Baha'i Faith in 1963 as per Adbu'l-Baha's will. The Bab was the forerunner to Baha'u'llah as John the Baptist was to Baha'u'llah. So the writings of the Bab and Baha'u'llah make up the sacred writings of our Faith, but the writings and elucidations of Abdu'l-Baha, Shoghi Effendi and the Universal House of Justice are all important.
As the Bab and Baha'u'llah had been Muslims prior to being bearers of independant Revelations from God, there is much Islamic context and commentary. Abdu'l-Baha travelled to the West and so provided extensive commentary of Christian themes. Beyond that what the writings of the Central figures have to say about Hinduism is limited. That being said Baha'u'llah revealed the tabernacle of unity that provides commentary on both Zorastriansim and Hinduism.
The Tabernacle of Unity | Bahá’í Reference Library
The book by Moojen Momen is one Baha'i's attempt to make a comparison between the Baha'i Faith and Hinduism.
Hinduism and the Bahá'í Faith
While scholarship and learning are very important in the Baha'i Faith, scholars have no more status or authority then anyone else in the community.
sinistercurrent
Setian
I would not say that I have changed my view. As a Setian I see the progressive development of religions as the reflection of the self-consciousness: People realize that norms, rules and regulations, or specific form of belief systems, are not compatible with their own self and because of this they are exploring hidden areas, they make a step to the new, to the unknown, and create new religions or renewal religions or find their own interpretations of the religion they belong to.
During the last 15 years I spend more time to explore traditional religions to understand the principle of isolate self-consciousness within me a little bit better.
Most people that follow traditional religions believe in a true revelation of their religion. Thus it was interesting for me that there is a revelation that teaches that the most religions have no longer authority because of the aspect of time since their creation.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Errm. Again, the Bahais have a more comprehensive collection of books written by Bahais about other religions from the light of the Bahai faith. If you say thats not the case, thats fine. You dont have to go explaining again about who Shirazi, his teaching, that he is like Yahya, etc etc etc.
I really cant understand why you guys have to get so affected by these simple statements. If you dont think that the Bahais have a comprehensive collection of books about other faiths, just say no, and provide some other faith or religion that does, and I will concede.
Peace.
Thank you for your thoughts re Submission.
I see that is what was offered. It was offered in context of the age we live in and the applicable Message given in that age from Allah. Submission is not in in the context of any material gain. Submission to me is done as a true servant, no praise of thanks is wanted or pursued.
Submission is to the Will of Allah. It is Allah who sends His Messengers and it is their Message we Submit to, as to be able to Submit to Allah.
For and example, those that did not accepted Muhammad as a Messenger and that Muhammad was given the Quran and that Word is from Allah, I see they have not submitted to the Will of Allah.
Thus another answer to 'Why Baha'i", if Baha'u'llah is the Messenger for this age, then submission to Allah is submission to that Revealed Word.
Regards Tony
Sometimes on a phone the post is submitted prior to finishing the post.
That is the nature of large fingers and a Small phone
Sorry if that complicated things for you.
Regards Tony
firedragon
Veteran Member
You are twisting it to your will. You are your god.
Not sure why you have concluded that from what was offered.
But that is life and I wish you always well and happy. Regards Tony