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Romans 2:2-4, can you answer this question, (theistically?[.

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Don't be ridiculous. The entire chapter is quite plainly talking about God's judgement (both condemnation and patience, and goodness etc), on the people he is writing to. There is no third person referred to, or implied, anywhere.
The 'third person' as you put it, would be,

The person being 'judged for being bad', in
Romans 2:3

and

The person being, 'despised for being good', (the patience so forth, in the first part of
Romans 2:4
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
John 5:22
[the father judges no man,

So, might be interesting to note 'who else', besides, Jesus, would that be referring to

Romans 2:3
Well it is obviously not Jesus, since if you look at the rest of the verse it says the father has delegated judgement of mankind to Jesus.

As the Nicene creed puts it, "Et iterum venturus est cum gloria, judicare vivos et mortuos", which comes at the end of section starting "Et in unum Dominum Jeus Christum", i.e. the part that deals with beliefs concerning Jesus.

Taking these little snippets out of context is the worst kind of quote mining. Doing it the way you do renders them meaningless.
 

Iymus

Active Member
Romans 2:2-4 presents a question, can you answer it?

Sometimes it seems statements are worded as questions to stir meditation and reflection.

One aspect is hypocritical or lukewarm judgement. You punishing someone for a law you yourself are breaking. you have convictions that it is wrong but you still do it while punishing others for breaking it.

The other aspect is the Grace of God is supposed to lead us to his will and works through our faith; not destroy his will and works through our faith.
 

1213

Well-Known Member
Romans 2:2-4 presents a question, can you answer it?

No, if person judges others and is guilty to same things, there is no way he can avoid the same judgment. As one judges, so will he be judged.

"… For with whatever judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with whatever measure you measure, it will be measured to you."
Mat. 7:1-2
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Romans 2:2-4 presents a question, can you answer it?
Romans 2:2-4 New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
2 You say,a]'>[a] “We know that God’s judgment on those who do such things is in accordance with truth.” 3 Do you imagine, whoever you are, that when you judge those who do such things and yet do them yourself, you will escape the judgment of God? 4 Or do you despise the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience? Do you not realize that God’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance?

There are three questions.

They all pertain to those who would ingratiate themselves to God by judging others, while keeping themselves above that same judgment. It shows a disdain for God's patience and kindness. People who do this sort of thing draw a strong distinction between themselves and other people, putting themselves on "God's side," and others as "against God." It's a false distinction. It's also a false conclusion to think that adherence to some arbitrary moral code saves, rather than God's mercy.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Specifically directed to people of bad consciousness, evil nature who understand purpose of the law but their nature would not submit to rejecting evil that does not allow agape.

I believe it is aimed at those who think they can eat a wafer; wash their hands in holy water and light a candle and God will simply overlook the fact that they haven't repented their sin nor have received Jesus as Lord and Savior.
 
The question is rhetorical. Paul is setting up a longer argument, but already in verse 1, he really hits his conclusion. From there he is just supporting that conclusion. His whole point is simple, we all sin, so who are we to judge others?
 
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