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Getting Rid of Trump?

Bob Jones

Bob Jones

Prove It!
If the familiar face are the ones who think they pose a serious threat to President Trump,think again! Regardless of his faults, Mr. Trump is a leader and in a round about way, a charismatic person. The Democrats or Independents need to nominate a candidate with strong leadership abilities. Mr. Biden is plagued with accusations of extreme womanising and nepotism which have benefited his family. Dr. Warren reminds me of Mr. Michael Stanley Dukakis who ran against Mr. Bush. She cannot decide whether she is or is not a Native American. I disagree with Mr. Trump and his sometime out of control puffing, but unless there is a change, it will be a landslide for Mr. Trump!
 
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bobhikes

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
Bob Jones said:
If the familiar face are the ones who think they pose a serious threat to President Trump,think again! Regardless of his faults, Mr. Trump is a leader and in a round about way, a charismatic person. The Democrats or Independents need to nominate a candidate with strong leadership abilities. Mr. Biden is plagued with accusations of extreme womanising and nepotism which have benefited his family. Dr. Warren reminds me of Mr. Michael Stanley Dukakis who ran against Mr. Bush. She cannot decide if she is a native American or a normal person. I disagree with Mr. Trump and his sometime out of control puffing, but unless there is a change, it will be a landslide for Mr. Trump!
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Good luck with that. Its wasn't a landslide in the 2016 election he actually lost the popular vote and he has done nothing to attract new voters. All the democrats have to do is convince the independents that voted third party because they didn't like either candidate in 2016, that there candidate is at least normal and Trump loses.
 
Mindmaster

Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Bob Jones said:
If the familiar face are the ones who think they pose a serious threat to President Trump,think again! Regardless of his faults, Mr. Trump is a leader and in a round about way, a charismatic person. The Democrats or Independents need to nominate a candidate with strong leadership abilities. Mr. Biden is plagued with accusations of extreme womanising and nepotism which have benefited his family. Dr. Warren reminds me of Mr. Michael Stanley Dukakis who ran against Mr. Bush. She cannot decide if she is a native American or a normal person. I disagree with Mr. Trump and his sometime out of control puffing, but unless there is a change, it will be a landslide for Mr. Trump!
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Whether you like or hate Trump he's certainly not as bad as the rest. First, the country is still here -- it didn't implode because he's ran it for nearly three years. That's longer than any of them have done it. :D Secondly, unless he majorly screws up a vote for any of them is risky in comparison. Any sane person should think about that in the voting booth -- sometimes if nothing majorly wrong there is no reason to make a change.
 
Mindmaster

Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
bobhikes said:
Good luck with that. Its wasn't a landslide in the 2016 election he actually lost the popular vote and he has done nothing to attract new voters. All the democrats have to do is convince the independents that voted third party because they didn't like either candidate in 2016, that there candidate is at least normal and Trump loses.
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Incumbent Presidents succeed in getting re-elected nearly 90% of the time. Whatever you like or hate about Trump he's a known quantity and that weighs heavily in his favor. It doesn't even matter what the previous election results were...

Most of the independents are going to vote Trump because the Dems went off the cliff to the left and most of them are center leaning. It's just a short hop from the center to where Trump is. (Which is center, but VERY slightly to the right.)

It's also worth mentioning that after Gary Johnson's snafus The Libertarian Party lost a ton of face with their base. They're going to get even less support in the coming election.
 
ImmortalFlame

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
Mindmaster said:
Whether you like or hate Trump he's certainly not as bad as the rest. First, the country is still here -- it didn't implode because he's ran it for nearly three years. That's longer than any of them have done it. :D Secondly, unless he majorly screws up a vote for any of them is risky in comparison. Any sane person should think about that in the voting booth -- sometimes if nothing majorly wrong there is no reason to make a change.
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Ah yes, the perfect reason to vote someone into a second term. "They didn't blow the country up".

This reminds me of a bit from one of my favourite films, In The Loop, in which a minister's adviser arrives late and disheveled for a meeting the minister was having (NSFW language):

TOBY
"So I turned up late to the meeting, Simon. I’m sorry. But it’s not like I threw up in there."

SIMON
"No, you’re right. I should be thanking you for not throwing up. Well done. You’re a star. And you didn’t wet yourself. You’re in the right city. You didn’t say anything overtly racist. You didn’t pull your d**k out and start plucking it and shouting 'willy banjo'. No I’m being unfair, you got so much right. Without actually being there for the beginning of one of the biggest meetings of my career. You’re a legend."
 
bobhikes

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
Mindmaster said:
Incumbent Presidents succeed in getting re-elected nearly 90% of the time. Whatever you like or hate about Trump he's a known quantity and that weighs heavily in his favor. It doesn't even matter what the previous election results were...

Most of the independents are going to vote Trump because the Dems went off the cliff to the left and most of them are center leaning. It's just a short hop from the center to where Trump is. (Which is center, but VERY slightly to the right.)

It's also worth mentioning that after Gary Johnson's snafus The Libertarian Party lost a ton of face with their base. They're going to get even less support in the coming election.
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Incumbent Presidents have Lost most recently George H Bush, followed by Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford there's a list it includes nine presidents.

You can not predict how the independents will vote being that you have no idea how they think. I for example voted for Gary Johnson and unless the Democrats run the anti-Christ I will be voting Democrat.

I agree the Independents will vote for a major party this year and the Democrats will go after there vote. Trump will not he is only concerned about his base. He has done nothing and will continue to do nothing to attract new voters. His plan it seems is to get the unregistered voters coming to his rallies to register and vote for him. This has been tried many times in the past without must success. People that don't vote won't vote.
 
Shad

Shad

Veteran Member
Bob Jones said:
If the familiar face are the ones who think they pose a serious threat to President Trump,think again! Regardless of his faults, Mr. Trump is a leader and in a round about way, a charismatic person. The Democrats or Independents need to nominate a candidate with strong leadership abilities. Mr. Biden is plagued with accusations of extreme womanising and nepotism which have benefited his family. Dr. Warren reminds me of Mr. Michael Stanley Dukakis who ran against Mr. Bush. She cannot decide if she is a native American or a normal person. I disagree with Mr. Trump and his sometime out of control puffing, but unless there is a change, it will be a landslide for Mr. Trump!
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I wouldn't call it charisma. Obama had charisma. Trump is just blunt and says what is on his mind good or bad which is a change from the status quo.

I think Sanders is a credible contender if nominated. Warren is in the race to prevent Sanders from getting the nomination. She is a corporate Dem but mimics Sanders enough to siphon votes away from him.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I give Democrats 70% odds of winning the presidency...& vice presidency too.
Margin of error: +/- 50%
 
sun rise

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Revoltingest said:
I give Democrats 70% odds of winning the presidency...& vice presidency too.
Margin of error: +/- 50%
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From your keyboard to the ballot box. Now if we can retake the Senate, I'll start singing (and posting) "Happy Days Are Here Again"
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
How about "She cannot decide if she is or is not a native American"?

Send payment by check or MasterCard. :)
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
metis said:
How about "She cannot decide if she is or is not a native American"?

Send payment by check or MasterCard. :)
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A pikchoor is worth a thousand werds.
Elizabeth-Warren-indian.jpg
 
dianaiad

dianaiad

Well-Known Member
ImmortalFlame said:
Ah yes, the perfect reason to vote someone into a second term. "They didn't blow the country up".
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When you think that the 'other guys' would have, and the present group of candidates probably WILL, that's a pretty good reason. In fact, I think that's the reason Trump got a lot of his votes...it's why he got mine. I figured that Trump wouldn't 'blow the country up' and he has most certainly not done that, but Hillary probably would.

This reminds me of a bit from one of my favourite films, In The Loop, in which a minister's adviser arrives late and disheveled for a meeting the minister was having (NSFW language):[/QUOTE]
 
Mindmaster

Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
bobhikes said:
I agree the Independents will vote for a major party this year and the Democrats will go after there vote. Trump will not he is only concerned about his base. He has done nothing and will continue to do nothing to attract new voters. His plan it seems is to get the unregistered voters coming to his rallies to register and vote for him. This has been tried many times in the past without must success. People that don't vote won't vote.
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I'd think more support will come from _legal_ Hispanic voters, and especially the Black folks that have really been doing a lot better. You'd be surprised at the attitude shift in that regard, and locally a lot of those folks are coming around. (Wife works in a business that predominately caters to African-American's locally, and I'm telling you there is a sleeping tiger there for the Dems based on quite a few conversations I've had.) The Dem support of illegals means they are screwing the black community directly as they are the ones most connected and many are not oblivious to that fact.
 
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