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Is Fundamentalism a Religious Movement or a Psychological Disorder?

Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Spartan

Spartan

Well-Known Member
Subduction Zone said:
Actually there is no more need to bust the resurrection of Jesus than there is for you to bust the claim that Mohammad went to the Moon on the back of a horse. The burden of proof for an event lies upon the person claiming that it happened.
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Well, there's multiple, independent, historical accounts / confirmation for the resurrection.

In your camp, there's squat against it.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
Subduction Zone said:
@Spartan posted:

"You didn't do what I asked. You didn't cite specific scriptures and you didn't substantiate your claim with credible evidence. And if you want to talk about Noah's Ark start a separate thread on it."

I have to ask why? Belief in the Noah's Ark myth long after it was refuted is an example of the topic of this thread.
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If there is anything more transcendentally brainless
than belief in "Noahs Ark", I dont want to even her of it.

That one will do.

Well, as one of my Asian friends says-

"Honestly, People in America!"

The attempt to reason with the unreasonable
is a hopeless one

My mistake was letting it out of ig city.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Spartan said:
Well, there's multiple, independent, historical accounts / confirmation for the resurrection.

In your camp, there's squat against it.
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The only independent sources that mention it are all from long after, and really aren't recounting it with any more credibility than you. For all we do know of that era, and of the two people who were resurrected during that time and no one bothered to write it fork when it happened and spread the story. It all being recorded after, and canonized, edited, and translated long after, someone like Jesus may have existed, but he himself didn't even claim to be god. "Thou shalt not have other gods before me," and it actually happened dont you think the Roman's would have recorded it themselves, when it happened?
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Audie said:
If there is anything more transcendentally brainless
than belief in "Noahs Ark", I dont want to even her of it.

That one will do.

Well, as one of my Asian friends says-

"Honestly, People in America!"

The attempt to reason with the unreasonable
is a hopeless one

My mistake was letting it out of ig city.
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With Scientology, you can basically begin it "a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away," play the start wars theme, and use the scrolling credits to start with "the evil emperor Xenu..." and it would be a rather accurate portrayal to start.
Noah's ark, at least with that and other food stories we can point at a map and suggests they are common in areas prone to severe flooding where to them, there world was flooded.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Spartan said:
Well, there's multiple, independent, historical accounts / confirmation for the resurrection.

In your camp, there's squat against it.
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Nope, there are not. There is only the Gospels and they are from from independent or historical. There are some weak historical accounts that he was crucified and that is as far as it goes.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Spartan said:
Liberals always confuse murder with divine justice on evil nations.
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Nope, you believe in an evil God. There is no "divine justice" when it comes to babies.

Ironically you are probably anti-abortion which means that you give rights to embryos and fetuses that cannot be justified with a proper understanding of the Bible. You have to cherry pick vague or artistic verses about individuals and ignore the general treatment of fetuses and embryos.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Audie said:
If there is anything more transcendentally brainless
than belief in "Noahs Ark", I dont want to even her of it.

That one will do.

Well, as one of my Asian friends says-

"Honestly, People in America!"

The attempt to reason with the unreasonable
is a hopeless one

My mistake was letting it out of ig city.
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I very rarely put someone on ignore. There is one southern "gentleman" that is testing my patience but so far I have not done so. Sooner or later all of the creationists go off the deep end. One simply cannot have a proper debate with them and all we can do is to hope that those that merely read can profit from their lunacy. That is why I think that some creationists are unwilling allies of those on the evolution side. Don't believe me? Read a few of @dad's posts.
 
Jose Fly

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
Returning to the topic of the thread, has anyone considered the possibility that it's not so much that fundamentalism is a psychological disorder, but is driven by something else?

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If I'm to be completely honest, the results of the above meta-analysis do make sense in light of many of the rather bizarre behaviors I see fundamentalists exhibit on a regular basis. Of course it's not universal, but IMO it does explain a lot.
 
Sand Dancer

Sand Dancer

Crazy Cat Lady
Spartan said:
Frequently. But your claim is largely nonsense. Let me give you some examples:

Skeptic: "None of the four Gospels can even agree on simple details on anything of Jesus is life. Take the resurrection for example, each gospel has a different account of what happened that day and none of them share any details in common besides the fact that mary is in all of them"

Response: Actually, all four Gospel writers do believe in the resurrection – they all confirmed it. It’s not the resurrection that’s in question in the Gospels, it’s events that have occurred AFTER the resurrection that skeptics question. In addition, those events are not contradictory, they’re complementary. If you put them on a timeline (How many angels were at the tomb? Answer: What time was it when the first one appeared, and then the second?), then most of the alleged contradictions disappear. Then there’s also what Cold Case Detective J. Warner Wallace calls “literary spotlighting.” One skeptic would argue that John’s Gospel only mentions Mary Magdalene at the tomb. That’s who John focused the “spotlight” on initially. But in reality, John was aware of the presence of other women at the tomb because later in the Gospel John wrote, “So she (Mary Magdalene) came running to the Simon and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, ‘They have taken the Lord out of the tomb and WE (“We”) don’t know where they have put him.’” – John 20:2

Finally, if you had done your due diligence of the Gospels, you would have known about Simon Greenleaf’s “Harmony of the Resurrection Accounts,” which places the resurrection scriptures in chronological order.

Greenleaf’s Harmony of the Resurrection Accounts
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It wasn't supposed to be literal events, so the contradictions are no problem. It is a problem for those who pretend it was meant to be literal.
 
Sand Dancer

Sand Dancer

Crazy Cat Lady
Spartan said:
Well, there's multiple, independent, historical accounts / confirmation for the resurrection.

In your camp, there's squat against it.
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Those who believe the bible are going to write about it. Not independent. They wrote many years after the event.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Jose Fly said:
Returning to the topic of the thread, has anyone considered the possibility that it's not so much that fundamentalism is a psychological disorder, but is driven by something else?
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Over the course of this thread, I've started to see it as an emotional diet rich in Big Macs and Twinkies. Fundamentalist adherence to dogma does appear to induce the symptoms of mental illness in a noticeable size of that population. They may not have been born with the genetic stuff normally found in people who are conventionally thought of as mentally ill, but they are still doing things that in some cases resemble behaviors of those profoundly ill. What it's driven by is what they very strongly believe in and adhere to.
 
Spartan

Spartan

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Thirza Fallen said:
Those who believe the bible are going to write about it. Not independent. They wrote many years after the event.
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Independent. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John all wrote their Gospels from different locales at different times to different audiences.
 
Spartan

Spartan

Well-Known Member
Thirza Fallen said:
It wasn't supposed to be literal events, so the contradictions are no problem. It is a problem for those who pretend it was meant to be literal.
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Like I've said previously, if you can show evidence the events in the Gospels were not authentic, then cite the scripture #'s and your evidence. Just making claims isn't enough. I mean, you must have some SOLID evidence to base your claims on, right?
 
Spartan

Spartan

Well-Known Member
Subduction Zone said:
Nope, you believe in an evil God. There is no "divine justice" when it comes to babies.

Ironically you are probably anti-abortion which means that you give rights to embryos and fetuses that cannot be justified with a proper understanding of the Bible. You have to cherry pick vague or artistic verses about individuals and ignore the general treatment of fetuses and embryos.
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Oh that "evil god"! If it weren't for the grace of God you wouldn't even be breathing today.
 
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