Altfish
Veteran Member
But that is just meaningless talk; name me one thing that the EU has imposed without a mandate to do so.
Whilst we are at it, Johnson is hardly being answerable at the moment; he is riding rough shot over Parliament
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Whilst we are at it, Johnson is hardly being answerable at the moment; he is riding rough shot over Parliament
Altfish
Veteran Member
Why is it undemocratic?
It has proportional representation - I voted for my MEP - did you not have a vote?
It is more democratic than our outdated first passed the post system.
Proposals on EU laws come from the unelected commission and put before the EU parliament,all we can do as a voter is elect an mep and we know how useless they are and how useless this system is,I've spent time watching the EU parliament live and it's not good.
As for bojo,the only good thing he's done is given brexit a kick up the *** which it needed otherwise I agree,he is.
Yes I voted,it's undemocratic because the commission is unelected,the propose the laws.
Altfish
Veteran Member
So which laws do you not like and want repealing when we leave?
Altfish
Veteran Member
But, they don't come out of nowhere and the Parliament votes on them and the UK decides how they are adopted.
No they come from an unelected commission,I don't like freedom of movement.
Altfish
Veteran Member
We chose to let people in this country in the numbers we do. Most of our immigration is now non-EU.
We make a profit from EU migrants; we make a loss from non-EU migrants.
It is our country's choice to let this balance of peoples in to our country. Immigration will be worse after Brexit.
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Which gets its input from various EU institutions and all laws need to be approved by the Parliament and the Council.
Legislative procedure
It's not perfect but neither is the UK with the HoL, FPtP, and the monarchy.
Why not? It's an enormous benefit to our country and a right you enjoy that actually has a practical impact on what you are able to do.
Immigration has made the UK more productive and prosperous - and will again in the future
"The average EEA migrant arriving in 2016 will contribute a discounted total of around £78,000 to the UK public finances over his or her lifetime. Overall, the future net contribution of 2016 arrivals alone to the UK public finances is estimated at £25bn. Had there been no immigration at all in 2016, the rest of us would have had, over time, to find £25bn, through higher taxes, public service cuts, or higher borrowing."
Notanumber
A Free Man
Having to accept mass immigration so that we can afford to fund the EU does not make sense.
So what's the point then,it's basically expensive bureaocracy
The monarch is our number 1 diplomat,as I said in another post the commission and EU parliament are just expensive bureauocracy.
Freedom of movement,nice idea you may think but in actuality it's had the poorest people in the EU heading to the same destination,never made sense.
Altfish
Veteran Member
So, you now accept that we do have a say and it is not imposed.
So, let's move the goalposts and play the bureaucracy card.
I don't think it will and I also think that employers will have to pay more instead of using cheap migrant labour.
Boy that say takes forever to get heard and processed,I've watched many a live EU parliamentary session,it's painful to watch,it's even worse than ours.
After a week in Brussels it then ups sticks,files people and whatever and sets up camp in Strasbourg for a week then it's back to Brussels,what a load of pointless nonsense.