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Boris Johnson - let's see how he and his government performs....

LuisDantas

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Notanumber said:
Jeff has the answer -

Jeff Taylor
Published on 11 Sep 2019

I say keep parliament locked down as the Queen herself instructed, on the advice of the Privy Council. The Scottish Court of Sessions has today ruled that the prorogation of parliament was unlawful and therefore null and void because it says that Boris Johnson misled the Queen when advising her to put out the order. A statement on the ruling from the court said: "All three First Division judges have decided that the PM's advice to HM the Queen is justiciable, that it was motivated by the improper purpose of stymying Parliament and that it, and what followed from it, is unlawful." And finished the statement saying: "The Court will accordingly make an Order declaring that the Prime Minister's advice to HM the Queen and the prorogation which followed thereon was unlawful and is thus null and of no effect." Now, having read then entire two page document from the Court of Session, they do not appear to have cited any statute or other law to back this up nor any case law either. Now the full judgment is due out by Friday, I think, so maybe we'll have more of an idea then on what they are basing this on. I also saw on the BBC that an order hasn't been issued and with the UK Supreme Court due to deliberate this prorogation next Tuesday, then it might be a bit premature so to do. But this hasn't stopped the Remainer politicians all converging on Westminster to try and throw open the doors and renew their stop Brexit antics as well as demand that Boris instantly fall on his sword for breaking the rules - when that's all that Remainers have been doing for over three years, the hypocrisy is staggering. Anyway, we should definitely wait until the Supreme Court makes a decision. Because what would happen if the Remainers took over Parliament again and passed a law in a few days like they did last time, only to find that the Supreme Court reverses the Scottish judges' decision? Then we'd be in an even deeper constitutional mire. Anyway, I'm not sure that the judges have seen a transcript of the actual Privy Council meeting that took place in Balmoral, where the one notable absentee was the Prime Minister, Boris Johnson. Maybe the three members of the Privy Council that attended, who were the Leader of the House of Lords, the Chief Whip and Jacob Rees-Mogg, merely advised her to prorogue parliament between two sets of dates? I don't know. If that's all that happened then what's the beef? Anyway, the Queen may be venerable in her years, but she does have loads of experience in these matters. She is also surrounded by advisers as well as a top notch team of unnamed lawyers. She also reads the papers and watches the news. So I reckon she made her decision with all that in mind. Our parliamentarians may live in a Westminster bubble, but I've heard from many sources over the years that Her Majesty is meticulous when going about her Royal duties. And, at the end of the day it is her decision, and she is not personally answerable to the courts. And I think the only way for the Remainers to properly take their seats, is if the Queen is advised by the right people to recall parliament. I must admit, if I were her I'd be tempted to get the carriage and footmen out, ride down the road to Westminster and double down personally on the prorogation, just to make the Royal point! But I doubt she's anywhere near as petty minded as me. But at the end of the day, the general thinking is that this Court of Sessions decision will be reversed next week by the Supreme Court. But I remind you - this is Brexit we're talking about!

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Jeff Taylor... I truly wonder how such a person has an audience at all.

We will learn the exact reasoning of the three Scottish judges tomorrow. And the Supreme Court of the UK will make its decision next tuesday, from what I have learned.

That will give us the exact measure of the shame that Boris Johnson is inflicting upon itself and of the damage that the Conservative Party and the Leavers are inflicting upon the UK.

Jeff Taylor's passion won't change that.

Did you talk about Quislings recently? That is an interesting word to consider, after all...

It is probably time to consider how long Scotland is likely to keep suffering this bother that membership in the UK has become.

And if Scotland secedes, can North Ireland be far behind? Particularly given how attractive a place it will become for the business that want the security that Brexit aims to destroy?
 
TagliatelliMonster

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
LuisDantas said:
That there are a lot of people willing to break the UK, apparently.

And to delude themselves about how representative they are, to the point of presenting transparent wishful thinking to others as if it were fact.
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Eventhough it's hard to prove at this point, I'm fairly certain that if it wasn't for the illegal psyOps operation by the Leave campaign, brexit would have never gotten a majority of the "leave" vote.
Just like Trump would have never been elected, if it wasn't for the massive targetted social media spamming by the psyOps operation.

BOTH operations, were ultimately led by Steve Bannon.


Just to give an idea from the US elections:
- amount of online ads by the Hillary Clinton campaign: ~60 thousand
- amount of online ads in favour of the Trump campaign: ~6 million

And I say "in favour of" instead of "by the campaign" for Trump, because the psyOps operation was officially run by a third party (eventhough they resided in the same building :rolleyes: ). Reason for this is that the psyOps costed too much money and it would have exceeded the official spending limit of political campaigning.


Both the Trump as well as the Leave.eu psyOps operation were run by Cambridge Analytica.

For the leave.eu, CA didn't do the entire mission. Only fase 1. But that's the most important fase, as it includes the mass profiling and the identification of the profiles that must be targetted.
They handed all this information over and the people of Leave.eu finished the job.

It makes me wonna puke.

Our democracies are under attack. Big time.
Don't think that the "threat" is now gone because CA is dismantled. Plenty of companies are doing this in the background. The far right is making massive use of it.

These past elections in Belgium as well. The massive majority of online ads I saw were from the extreme right wingers. The racists. The ads were obviously targetted and tailored individually. They were also filled with fake news.
I can spot this nonsense a mile away.

I'm a software engineer. I stay away as far as I can from any and all social media, always have, for this precise reason. I've expected this exact scenario for more then a decade now. I have a working knowledge of how social media became succesfull (exploitation of human psychological weaknesses). I have a working knowledge of what you can potentially accomplish with AI, or even relatively "dumb" algoritms, and big data.

People need to wake the F up.
 
Notanumber

Notanumber

A Free Man
LuisDantas said:
That there are a lot of people willing to break the UK, apparently.

And to delude themselves about how representative they are, to the point of presenting transparent wishful thinking to others as if it were fact.
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It is our country and it is for the winners of the biggest democratic exercise that has ever taken place to decide its future.
 
Notanumber

Notanumber

A Free Man
LuisDantas said:
Jeff Taylor... I truly wonder how such a person has an audience at all.

We will learn the exact reasoning of the three Scottish judges tomorrow. And the Supreme Court of the UK will make its decision next tuesday, from what I have learned.

That will give us the exact measure of the shame that Boris Johnson is inflicting upon itself and of the damage that the Conservative Party and the Leavers are inflicting upon the UK.

Jeff Taylor's passion won't change that.

Did you talk about Quislings recently? That is an interesting word to consider, after all...

It is probably time to consider how long Scotland is likely to keep suffering this bother that membership in the UK has become.

And if Scotland secedes, can North Ireland be far behind? Particularly given how attractive a place it will become for the business that want the security that Brexit aims to destroy?
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Scotland’s leader in the House of Commons was on the radio the other day talking about how a no-deal Brexit could seriously affect the supply of drinking water. That is how hysterical the Remoaners have become.
 
Altfish

Altfish

Veteran Member
It is now clear that Johnson is following Trump's lead in avoiding scrutiny.
First, after getting roasted at PMQ's by Corbyn and others, he closes Parliament.
Then he avoids a press conference with the Luxembourg PM but agrees to a soft ball BBC interview by Tory luvvy Laura Kuenssberg.

He is frightened of scrutiny
 
ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I just watched a government ad aimed at british business.

Tried to find it on youtube but cant so summarised it said After brexit there will be changes, get ready for brexit now.

It would help if government actually informed business (and everyone else) what those changes will be. So far no one, not even johnson and co. have the slightest clue.

So i am assuming the ad is a government attempt at fireproofing themselves by saying "told ya so" after the smelly brown stuff hits the fan?
 
Altfish

Altfish

Veteran Member
ChristineM said:
I just watched a government ad aimed at british business.

Tried to find it on youtube but cant so summarised it said After brexit there will be changes, get ready for brexit now.

It would help if government actually informed business (and everyone else) what those changes will be. So far no one, not even johnson and co. have the slightest clue.

So i am assuming the ad is a government attempt at fireproofing themselves by saying "told ya so" after the smelly brown stuff hits the fan?
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But ... it will not be their fault, it'll be the fault of the Remainers (Who said this was going to happen) and the quislings (an imaginary beast made up by Leavers to satisfy their lust for glory)
 
ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Altfish said:
But ... it will not be their fault, it'll be the fault of the Remainers (Who said this was going to happen) and the quislings (an imaginary beast made up by Leavers to satisfy their lust for glory)
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And the EU for for not capitulating to bloody stupid demands

And they put out an advert warning people that unknown changes will happen
 
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Notanumber

Notanumber

A Free Man
Altfish said:
But ... it will not be their fault, it'll be the fault of the Remainers (Who said this was going to happen) and the quislings (an imaginary beast made up by Leavers to satisfy their lust for glory)
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That chip on your shoulder is as big as the EU monkey on the back of the UK and that is big.
 
Altfish

Altfish

Veteran Member
Notanumber said:
That chip on your shoulder is as big as the EU monkey on the back of the UK and that is big.
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Don't worry about me, I'm fine.
I do worry about my children and grandchildren though - they will see the worst of our current plight

btw Have you remembered any benefits yet?
 
Notanumber

Notanumber

A Free Man
Altfish said:
Don't worry about me, I'm fine.
I do worry about my children and grandchildren though - they will see the worst of our current plight

btw Have you remembered any benefits yet?
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You, your children and your grandchildren will reap the benefits that freedom brings once we have left the EU protection racket.
 
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