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This is why i do not hate Islam or Muslims

Spirit of Light

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The following article will describe how true Islam does work and how you can find Muslims who are true muslims and not wannabe terrorists.
I add this article because there has been so much negative toward muslims in this forum and since i personally have nothing against Islam i found it good to share this. It talk about what Islam actually was and still is used for.

30 Facts About Islam
 
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night912

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Amanaki said:
The following article will describe how true Islam does work and how you can find Muslims who are true muslims and not wannabe terrorists.
I add this article because there has been so much negative toward muslims in this forum and since i personally have nothing against Islam i found it good to share this. It talk about what Islam actually was and still is used for.

30 Facts About Islam
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I haven't gone through all points, but i have a problem with number 1 and 2. Those two, in my opinion, is the cause of any and all attacks by any religious groups. Note that i didn't just say "terrorist attacks." The reason is because everyone has their own definition of god and god's purpose.
 
Guitar's Cry

Guitar's Cry

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I am critical of aspects of how some people practice Islam. But this is no more than any other religion. Are there negative aspects of Islam? Sure. Ditto with other faiths. Anti-science, misogyny, etc. are issues that run counter to my worldview.

However, I also do not hate Islam or Muslims. In fact, I enjoy the diversity of their culture and have met many wonderful Muslim people. If someone finds meaning and inspiration in Islam I cannot fault them for that any more than any other religion.
 
Samantha Rinne

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Diversity.

First off. Islam is not a religion at all, but a full-time political -religious system (theocracy). In other words, Islam basically is Sharia. If we examine Sharia closely, we also find that unlike kosher which only applies for the Jews, Muslim laws have actual penalties for non-Muslims (jiyzha tax, for example, and I assume you're familiar what happens when you don't pay). This makes it a rival law of the land, something that civil government should not abide.

Second, Muslims are always wonderful to you. When they are in the minority. But how a religion acts when in the minority and in the majority are two different things. Or are you going to accept the Christian burning of witches but reject that countries like Saudi Arabia punish women for not wearing hijab (often with acid or stoning), and still uphold laws like cutting hands off for theft?

But yes, diversity.
 
Spirit of Light

Spirit of Light

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night912 said:
I haven't gone through all points, but i have a problem with number 1 and 2. Those two, in my opinion, is the cause of any and all attacks by any religious groups. Note that i didn't just say "terrorist attacks." The reason is because everyone has their own definition of god and god's purpose.
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It is true that when umans misunderstand a religious text it can lead to evil doings but as soon evil doings has been done they can not be seen as true followers, if they do not change toward good again
 
Spirit of Light

Spirit of Light

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Samantha Rinne said:
Diversity.

First off. Islam is not a religion at all, but a full-time political -religious system (theocracy). In other words, Islam basically is Sharia. If we examine Sharia closely, we also find that unlike kosher which only applies for the Jews, Muslim laws have actual penalties for non-Muslims (jiyzha tax, for example, and I assume you're familiar what happens when you don't pay). This makes it a rival law of the land, something that civil government should not abide.

Second, Muslims are always wonderful to you. When they are in the minority. But how a religion acts when in the minority and in the majority are two different things. Or are you going to accept the Christian burning of witches but reject that countries like Saudi Arabia punish women for not wearing hijab (often with acid or stoning), and still uphold laws like cutting hands off for theft?

But yes, diversity.
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Large or small groupe does not matter I have no hate toward muslims
 
Mock Turtle

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I don't hate Islam either - no more than any other religion - but I do worry that the spectrum of beliefs and behaviour within Islam (which one might put down to culture, but mostly will be religious) has such extremes, and seemingly hasn't purged past influences so as to enable the following, and the same seems to apply to FGM (mostly found in Islamic cultures):

Girl, 10, forced to marry 22-year-old man in Iran | Metro News

When some complain about the practitioners of Islam still living in mediaeval times, this (the extremes) I would think is what they might be thinking about - apart from the stoning, hand-chopping off, etc. - even if they are illegal or frowned upon. And the burqa/niqab (being black mostly it seems) just seems to be iconic of nihilism - so perhaps not the best choice of colour, and especially where the males wear white. How would one deny equality of the sexes so obviously than by dress? Wow - we didn't think of that!

And equality of the sexes doesn't appear to be an Islamic ideal - males and females having their appropriate place perhaps, but equal, not so much. Which is why Islam apparently will always be at odds with modern Western societies - unless it changes.
 
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Samantha Rinne said:
Diversity.

First off. Islam is not a religion at all, but a full-time political -religious system (theocracy). In other words, Islam basically is Sharia. If we examine Sharia closely, we also find that unlike kosher which only applies for the Jews, Muslim laws have actual penalties for non-Muslims (jiyzha tax, for example, and I assume you're familiar what happens when you don't pay). This makes it a rival law of the land, something that civil government should not abide.

Second, Muslims are always wonderful to you. When they are in the minority. But how a religion acts when in the minority and in the majority are two different things. Or are you going to accept the Christian burning of witches but reject that countries like Saudi Arabia punish women for not wearing hijab (often with acid or stoning), and still uphold laws like cutting hands off for theft?

But yes, diversity.
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Hi Samantha,

I respectfully disagree with both points.

For point #1: You compared Islam with Judaism seemingly with the intention of showing that Judaism is better because it does not apply a tax to out-group other religions? I am quite sure that this practice existed ( past tense ) in some form in Judaism as well. Also would you please provide evidence to support that Islam is "Not a religion at all"? I have seen this claim before and , so far, I have not seen convincing data to back it up.

For point #2: I am sorry, but this sounds excessive to me. It's not uncommon, but, it's still an over-reaction based on the violence and abhorrent behavior of Muslim extremists and terrorists.
 
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night912

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Amanaki said:
It is true that when umans misunderstand a religious text it can lead to evil doings but as soon evil doings has been done they can not be seen as true followers, if they do not change toward good again
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But to them, they're not doing evil things. Or even to go as far as, being their duty and/or purpose for doing it because it's god's will or plan for them.
 
Spirit of Light

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night912 said:
But to them, they're not doing evil things. Or even to go as far as, being their duty and/or purpose for doing it because it's god's will or plan for them.
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God / Allah Did not ask them to do terror. It is their distorted views that make them go to terror.
Just because someone say kill, does not make it good or right to do.
Killing is immoral
 
Spirit of Light

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Wandering Monk said:
Fine. Should anyone fight these people with force of arms, or do we sit on our lotus petals until they are sawing our ****ing head off?
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You are free to do what you want. I choose the path of not harming others.
I have even come to the conclution that my disapointment (sometimes hatefull) view of america is wrong of me so i will no longer look at america with hate or disapointment.

If anyone should harm me i will no longer hold any hate toward them
 
Wandering Monk

Wandering Monk

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Amanaki said:
You are free to do what you want. I choose the path of not harming others.
I have even come to the conclution that my disapointment (sometimes hatefull) view of america is wrong of me so i will no longer look at america with hate or disapointment.

If anyone should harm me i will no longer hold any hate toward them
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And if they want to saw your childrens' heads off?
 
Spirit of Light

Spirit of Light

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Wandering Monk said:
Well, if they were sawing your neighbors head off would you take up arms to protect him or just fall back in to fatalism?
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I protect my neighbours but not with firearms or voilance. but i would help families who need to get protection.
Just because i am pacifist and not use voilance does not mean i am stupid.
 
Wandering Monk

Wandering Monk

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Amanaki said:
I protect my neighbours but not with firearms or voilance. but i would help families who need to get protection.
Just because i am pacifist and not use voilance does not mean i am stupid.
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Except the places where the majority of Islamist violence is taking place are regions without civil authorities. What would a pacifist do in that place? Let his neighbor die I guess.
 
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