"Christians Furious After GA School Bans Loudspeaker Prayers at Football Games"

Ouroboros said:

Maybe they can't do a good enough job keeping the churches alive without the gov. In countries where separation has gone further, churches have a harder time keeping the attendance.

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Jose Fly said:

Good thought (as painful as it may have been ). Without the force of government behind it, religion may become less compelling.

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KenS said:

An adaptation:

First they came for the Christians, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Christian.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


Another blow to free speech

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Skwim said:

I’m no attorney, but Presley’s not very smart, so I’ll go ahead and say it with confidence: No one cares if the fans say their own prayers. No one is challenging their right to pray. Hell, they can pray to their hearts’ desires. Christian fans are free to turn the games into makeshift church services, and tell Jews they’re going to Hell unless they repent, and whatever else they want.

But they can’t use the school’s equipment to amplify their message. This isn’t that complicated.

Maybe if the fans spent more time in school and less time praying, they would realize that."
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Vinayaka said:

I like how God gets thanked when you win, but not if you lose.

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Skwim said:

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But they all miss a critical point: Even the Freedom From Religion Foundation doesn’t have a legal issue with student-led prayers. If the athletes and fans choose to pray before a game, that’s their right. But at Lowndes, the students use the loudspeaker system to preach Christianity.


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Father Heathen said:

He'll let countless children die from famine and disease, but by golly he'll pull some strings for the hometown team. Aww, yeah! Chase those balls and score those points!

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Vinayaka said:

And if some kid gets permanently injured or concussed, it sure ain't God's fault.

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wellwisher said:

This town in Georgia should claim they are a sanctuary city for free religious expression.

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Trump will back you, since any further fight that can change your sanctuary status, will also set a precedent that will allow Trump to come down hard on all atheists sanctuary cities. The atheists cannot have it both ways. This is how the binarius Satan is defeated. Time to draw a line in the sand and defeat the two faced serpent.

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wellwisher said:

The left wing atheists has sanctuary cities that get to ignore federal law. This town in Georgia should claim they are a sanctuary city for free religious expression.The Government does not withhold federal funds or penalize the Californian cities who protect criminal aliens due to their sanctuary status. Use the same cheat tactics as the atheists and ignore the whiners.

Trump will back you, since any further fight that can change your sanctuary status, will also set a precedent that will allow Trump to come down hard on all atheists sanctuary cities. The atheists cannot have it both ways. This is how the binarius Satan is defeated. Time to draw a line in the sand and defeat the two faced serpent.

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Ouroboros said:

Paul or Jesus (can't remember who) said that the Christians should rejoice when they were persecuted, but it's more like they're big whiners today. Get a little resistance and they go bonkers.

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Someone else said once that Christianity is at its best when it's persecuted and worst when it's in political power.

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wellwisher said:

The atheists cannot have it both ways.

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Skwim said:

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"For years now, the football team at Lowndes High School in Georgia has opened its games with a student-led prayer, but after a complaint from an atheist group, those prayers are ending and the community is furious.

At least that’s what a couple of news headlines this week have suggested.

But they all miss a critical point: Even the Freedom From Religion Foundation doesn’t have a legal issue with student-led prayers. If the athletes and fans choose to pray before a game, that’s their right. But at Lowndes, the students use the loudspeaker system to preach Christianity.

Here’s an example of it from 2017:

That’s why FFRF had a problem with it, as attorney Chris Line pointed out when he sent the district a letter on behalf of a parent who lives in the community.

“I couldn’t go to the football game and say, ‘hey, there is no God,’ to everybody at the game, use the school’s microphone for that. In the same way that a Christian can not come up and deliver a Christian prayer for everyone when the crowd probably has Jewish people, Muslims, obviously atheists, and tons of other minority religions,” said Chris Line, Freedom From Religion Foundation Attorney.
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It’s not just FFRF either. The Supreme Court ruled on this very issue in 2000 in Santa Fe Independent School District v. Doe and said the loudspeaker prayers were illegal.

And yet the response has included district officials blaming FFRF for the change, and locals whining because they’re too ignorant to understand the problem.

Prayer has “always been done, and we live in an area where God is put above a lot of other things,” [senior Taylor] Slocumb said. “To have it taken away from us, it’s something I wanted to fight for.”
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“It’s time for Christians to stand up for what is right and to stand up for God,” [parent Joe] Copeland said. “When you quit talking to God, it’s going to go bad.”
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“South Georgia is in the middle of the Bible Belt,” said Darrell Presley, the Viking Touchdown Club President. “Religion is a very strong thing in this part of the country and it’s one of the things that you do.”

Presley says if the prayer does not get added back to the program, fans will say their own from the crowd.
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I’m no attorney, but Presley’s not very smart, so I’ll go ahead and say it with confidence: No one cares if the fans say their own prayers. No one is challenging their right to pray. Hell, they can pray to their hearts’ desires. Christian fans are free to turn the games into makeshift church services, and tell Jews they’re going to Hell unless they repent, and whatever else they want.

But they can’t use the school’s equipment to amplify their message. This isn’t that complicated.

Maybe if the fans spent more time in school and less time praying, they would realize that."
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shmogie said:

You are showing what happens in a democracy, the majority wants to rule and impose their values on others.

Thank God the US isn´t a democracy.

What if the tables were turned and the issue was one the leftyś loved, and legally things didn´t go well, do you think they would just complain and go away ?

I doubt it. They don´t like the makeup of the current Supreme Court, their response from the senate ?

A threat to the Justices, in essence, toe our line, or we will pack the court so we will get our way.

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Jose Fly said:

Why? What would be the purpose of that?

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Jose Fly said:

I've seen some Christians claim that they're being "persecuted" when people flip them the bird while they protest the local Planned Parenthood.

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Jose Fly said:

As noted earlier, the precedent-setting Supreme Court case on this (Santa Fe Independent School District v. Doe) was initiated by a complaint from a Catholic family and a Mormon family.

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Thirza Fallen said:

We are a mixture of democracy and a republic. Kind of an anomaly. Democracy is very important and we are losing it.

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