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sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Good-Ole-Rebel said:
The Bible was not written as a history book. That is true. Nor was it written as a science book. It's purpose is the redemption of man. It shows the way to redemption and provides for redeemed man. But when it touches on areas of history and science, which it does, it is accurate.

Good-Ole-Rebel
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Wrong. It’s purpose is not the “redemption of man.” That’s Jesus’ job. It’s purpose is to be a repository of the written tradition of God’s people.

Where it touches on history and science it is often lacking in factual accuracy.

You really should take a class.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Good-Ole-Rebel said:
Well, if there is God, and there is, and God has provided only one way to be redeemed, and that one way is Jesus Christ as showed us in the Bible, then man cannot just believe what he wants. I mean you can, but it doesn't provide redemption.

So, if the Jesus you follow is nothing but a Gandhi type, then you are not following Jesus as described in the Bible. Thus no redemption.

Good-Ole-Rebel
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This isn’t about doctrine or dogma. Jesus didn’t teach doctrine. Orthodoxy isn’t the issue. Orthopraxy is the issue. “Following Jesus” isn’t in believing particular things about Jesus; it’s in opening one’s life to faith in the things Jesus lived out and taught by example: love and right relationship. God created us the n wondrous variety and gave us the ability to hold a multiplicity of perspectives. We are a wide humanity because God is wide. God won’t fit in your box.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Skwim said:
You mean "Accurate" like when it says rabbits and hares chew cud.

Lev. 11:6
The rabbit, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is unclean for you.​

Or that locusts/grasshoppers walk on all fours.

Leviticus 11:20-23
“‘All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be regarded as unclean by you. 21 There are, however, some flying insects that walk on all fours that you may eat: those that have jointed legs for hopping on the ground. 22 Of these you may eat any kind of locust, katydid, cricket or grasshopper. 23 But all other flying insects that have four legs you are to regard as unclean.​

Or that the mustard seed is the smallest of all seeds

Matthew 13:31-32
31 He told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and planted in his field. 32 Though it is the smallest of all seeds, yet when it grows, it is the largest of garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds come and perch in its branches.”​

Or that bats are birds

Leviticus 11: 13-16
13 “‘These are the birds you are to regard as unclean and not eat because they are unclean: the eagle, the vulture, the black vulture, . . . 19 the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat.​

ALL INACCURACIES

Rabbits and hares DON 'T chew cud
locusts/grasshoppers DON'T walk on all fours
The mustard seed is NOT the smallest of all seeds
Bats are NOT birds

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You forgot that the sky is a hard dome covering a flat earth, that there was no large star over Bethlehem, that David’s army could not have been as large as the Bible says, and that the Israelites were never in Egypt.

But nice points!
 
Sand Dancer

Sand Dancer

Crazy Cat Lady
Good-Ole-Rebel said:
The Bible was not written as a history book. That is true. Nor was it written as a science book. It's purpose is the redemption of man. It shows the way to redemption and provides for redeemed man. But when it touches on areas of history and science, which it does, it is accurate.

Good-Ole-Rebel
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Really? lol
 
Good-Ole-Rebel

Good-Ole-Rebel

Well-Known Member
sojourner said:
Wrong. It’s purpose is not the “redemption of man.” That’s Jesus’ job. It’s purpose is to be a repository of the written tradition of God’s people.

Where it touches on history and science it is often lacking in factual accuracy.

You really should take a class.
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Jesus said "It is written". (Matt. 4:4,7,10)

Jesus said every jot and title will be fulfilled. (Matt. 5:18)

So, you see? Jesus is very much part of the redemption. And He recognized the importance and purpose of the written Scripture in that regard.

Good-Ole-Rebel
 
Good-Ole-Rebel

Good-Ole-Rebel

Well-Known Member
sojourner said:
This isn’t about doctrine or dogma. Jesus didn’t teach doctrine. Orthodoxy isn’t the issue. Orthopraxy is the issue. “Following Jesus” isn’t in believing particular things about Jesus; it’s in opening one’s life to faith in the things Jesus lived out and taught by example: love and right relationship. God created us the n wondrous variety and gave us the ability to hold a multiplicity of perspectives. We are a wide humanity because God is wide. God won’t fit in your box.
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(John 7:16)

Good-Ole-Rebel
 
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Good-Ole-Rebel said:
Jesus said "It is written". (Matt. 4:4,7,10)

Jesus said every jot and title will be fulfilled. (Matt. 5:18)

So, you see? Jesus is very much part of the redemption. And He recognized the importance and purpose of the written Scripture in that regard.

Good-Ole-Rebel
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Matthew 5, 6 ,
That is 'Jesus's laws'. It doesn't mean the priestly laws. That is why He says, 'every jot and tittle', which He didn't say about the priestly laws[at all.

Now, his rules are somewhat generalized however that's what that means
 
Good-Ole-Rebel

Good-Ole-Rebel

Well-Known Member
Desert Snake said:
Matthew 5, 6 ,
That is 'Jesus's laws'. It doesn't mean the priestly laws. That is why He says, 'every jot and tittle', which He didn't say about the priestly laws[at all.

Now, his rules are somewhat generalized however that's what that means
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No. He is talking about the whole law. See (Matt. 5;17)

Good-Ole-Rebel
 
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Matthew 1:20
[Angel of the Lord

Matthew 1:24
[Angel of the Lord

Matthew 2:19
[Angel of the Lord

Matthew 8:2,Lord, (referring to Jesus

Matthew 8:6-8
[Lord, (referring to Jesus

Matthew 11:10
[Jesus sends an angel, (the word in English is "messenger"

Matthew 12:8
[Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, (the Son of Man

Mark 14:41-42
Mark 14:48-49(scriptures fulfilled

Mark 14:61-62
[Son of Man

Mark 16:9
[Lord Jesus

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Son of Man doesn't mean the Spirit authority is man, it means humanlike. The Spirit hence the 'Lord', what Jesus reverts to, after Resurrection, is the 'Lord', (Jesus in Spirit form.
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Good-Ole-Rebel said:
No. He is talking about the whole law. See (Matt. 5;17)

Good-Ole-Rebel
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How could He mean 'keep the priestly laws', when the main synagogue is destroyed, at His crucifixion.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Good-Ole-Rebel said:
(John 7:16)

Good-Ole-Rebel
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At least you formatted this correctly, though out of context quotes do not support arguments.

Since you won't do your homework can you at the very least try to write your verses so that the software of the system can help you? Use the full name of the book that your are referring to. Use Book Chapter Colon Verse formatting for example:

1 Peter 3:15

That whole thing is a link. Click on it. Or if you are using a phone with a touch screen tap on it.
 
Good-Ole-Rebel

Good-Ole-Rebel

Well-Known Member
Desert Snake said:
'Fulfill', the law doesn't mean to keep the priestly laws. It means to modify [bad rules, and abrogate the priestly sacrifices.
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(Matt. 5:18) "till all be fulfilled"

And there is more. Not just in the Law, but the whole Old Testament. (Luke 24:44) "...that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me."

Jesus is about redemption. And the purpose of the Bible is that redemption.

Good-Ole-Rebel
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Good-Ole-Rebel said:
Jesus said "It is written". (Matt. 4:4,7,10)

Jesus said every jot and title will be fulfilled. (Matt. 5:18)

So, you see? Jesus is very much part of the redemption. And He recognized the importance and purpose of the written Scripture in that regard.

Good-Ole-Rebel
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Good-Ole-Rebel said:
Jesus said "It is written". (Matt. 4:4,7,10)

Jesus said every jot and title will be fulfilled. (Matt. 5:18)

So, you see? Jesus is very much part of the redemption. And He recognized the importance and purpose of the written Scripture in that regard.

Good-Ole-Rebel
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Well, that is what I said, yes? That redemption is Jesus’ job, not the bible’s? Your references have nothing to do with what the job of the Bible is. The Law and the Bible are two very different things. Jesus is referring to the Law — not the Bible.

Take a class. Please.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Good-Ole-Rebel said:
No, I believe what the Bible says about God.

Good-Ole-Rebel
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You have an opinion about what the Bible says. The texts are multivalent. They rarely “say what they say” for a number of reasons that have to do with language, culture, genre, and style. Additionally, the texts are written such that there is room for interpretation. It’s not a book of facts — it’s a book of wisdom that applies to any number of different perspectives of truth.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Good-Ole-Rebel said:
(John 7:16)

Good-Ole-Rebel
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Right! Jesus isn’t teaching doctrine. He’s teaching love and right-relationship. You’re grossly misreading this bit of text that you’ve taken out of context.

We’re both talking “food.” But you’re talking “recipe” while the Bible is talking “food critic.” Two different approaches to the same broad subject. Please get with the program!
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Good-Ole-Rebel said:
(Matt. 5:18) "till all be fulfilled"

And there is more. Not just in the Law, but the whole Old Testament. (Luke 24:44) "...that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me."

Jesus is about redemption. And the purpose of the Bible is that redemption.

Good-Ole-Rebel
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“Law of Moses, prophets, Psalms” is not the “whole OT.” You really need to get a handle on this before you debate. It’s like asking someone to fix the airbag system on a 2019 Audi when the guy has never seen a car before. Doesn’t know “automobile,” doesn’t know “airbag,” doesn’t know “Audi.” It’s not happening.
We’re talking biblical exegesis and you’re talking “apologetics 101.”
 
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