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i believe in my experience Bahais believe their own writings over the scriptures and writings of others.
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i believe in my experience Bahais believe their own writings over the scriptures and writings of others.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
It's not good. When I described Shoghi Effendi as great grandson to Bahauallah this was not classed as error, but deliberate misinformation!
Some Bahais must see us as very wicked; I would say evil, but Bahai does not believe in that.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
I knew you were wrong!
And you insulted me when I was right!
Now let's all see how you respond to the fact that I was right when I described Shoghi Effendi as Bahauallah's Great Grandson.
You're a Bahai who is ignorant of Bahai history. Amazing......!
CITATION:-
Shoghi Effendi, was the great-grandson of Bahá'u'lláh, and the head of the Bahá'í Faith from his early twenties until his passing. He was appointed to the role of Guardian of the Cause of God by his grandfather, `Abdu'l-Bahá.9 Mar 2018
I find these posts to be quite hypocritical considering the nasty things you've said about other religions. So it's only bad to downtalk a religion when it's yours, eh?
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
I do not think so, Oldbadger. Atheists generally know better about religions than the followers of those religions because they have researched the subject.
Saint, Abrahamic religions do that regularly. They reject all other religions. Why should you blame only us? Bahais reject the teaching of all other religions as outdated. Respect demands respect.
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firedragon
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Thanks but you are trying to get into a faith argument. Your faith is yours to keep. My intention here is to understand about a particular religion. It is quite childish of me or anyone to agree or not agree without understanding a theology. It is also childish to refrain from understanding something even if one doesn't agree.
So thanks for your response, I am not interested in it.
Peace.
The Message was given to the world and was delivered to the world swiftly. How much wider audience do you perceive?
Again it is not for sale, the Message was, is and will always be free to choose.
That worldwide audience is making its own choices and as such progressively more will and do embrace a Message that is all inclusive.
As more embrace a message that gives a unity in our diversity, we see a growth that results in an outward display of worship of our One God. This knocks down pass prejudices and opens doors to hearts that also long to be at peace as one human race.
Thus it is at one's own self one must look if they do not see the Message of Baha'u'llah in any other way but Love and Justice for every human being.
It's real history attests to its growth and what it now offers.
Stay happy OB, I wish you always well and happy. Tea and cake on offer always.
Regards Tony
Yes it was a mistake. It is a failing I see in myself, that I also could not, if asked name all of the family and how they are related.
Shoghi Effendi - Wikipedia
Regards Tony
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Fair enough....... but I was addressing a declared Bahai.
Amazing.......
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Yeah.... OK......
But when that member saw what he (incorrectly) perceived to be a mistake of mine he concluded that I had deliberately misinformed everyone. That's the difference.
Thus you can know that Baha'i are just as fallible as everyone else.
It is up to you about the source they quote. You will note that by following your own research, you can find the answers.
My only advice can be it is your heart that guides. All of us have to examine what it is our heart wants.
That to me becomes the good and evil of this materialistic world.
Regards Tony
No the relationship needs to be first person to pass muster for comparison between Paul and Baha'u'llah, Abdu'l baha and Shoghi Effendi. It is previous some that the claim the relationship, between Baha'u'llah, Abdu'l baha and Shoghi Effendi for the writings of Abdu'l baha and Shoghi Effendi to reflect the will of Baha'u'llah concerning the Progressive Revelation of the Manifestations of God.
Actually the believers of every religion believe the same. It is also is relevant as how a religion relates to the scripture of other religions. It is more common for ancient religions to dismiss the scripture of other religions, and co-opt older religions.
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Examples please. You may be referring to my references to the Old Testament. My references are factual as far as the text of the Old Testament.
We Never Know
No Slack
Why any religion other than self satisfaction, self peacefulness? None of them are science or represent science.
IMO if there is no deity(there is no evidence for any yet), each is equal in falseness and myth.
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CG Didymus
Veteran Member
If all we knew about the Baha'i Faith was from the responses by the Baha'is here on the forum, what would we think of their religion? Would we see peace and unity? Love and respect for all people no matter what their religion? I vaguely remember a Baha'i quote so I'll paraphrase it, it might have been from Abdul Baha', if a person has 10 good qualities and 1 bad one, disregard the 1 bad one. And, if a person has 10 bad qualities and only 1 good one, to disregard the 10 bad ones and focus on the 1 good quality.
Does this happen? Not even. I was there with the Baha'is over 40 years ago. I saw people join, then get disillusioned when they saw the inner workings. It's going to happen in an organized-type of religion. They have an image to protect. They have to be careful how the Baha'i Faith is presented. I would not be surprised if the administration people in the Baha'i Faith put out directives for those that want to post on internet forums... that along with being accurate about what the Baha'i Faith teaches, that Baha'is need to show a little love and respect.
Too many Baha'is are not looking at the good in all of us non-Baha'is, but looking at the bad... but then making us out to be enemies of their religion? Where is the peace and unity? How will the Baha'is unite the whole world if they can't even get along with us? Anyway, I'm sure I'll be attacked for this post. But, at least I'll be in good company. I always love to hear what you and Old Badger have to say.
I don't think you've been told you have an anti-Baha'i agenda yet. But yes I agree that those who post on forums the way they do are doing far more damage to their faith than good. If anyone did come along to take a look/listen, it wouldn't take long to see the animosity, the obvious contradictions, the hypocrisy, and that's not just with non-Baha'is but also within themselves. But hey it's a psychological study regardless.
But it's not just Baha'i folk who 'suffer' from the openness of the internet. Lots of folks do.
At least you and OB have direct personal experience from it, as do many of the ex-Baha'is who post stuff on-line. I have no direct experience, just my interactions here. But that's been an eye-opener.
But I'll get 'corrected about my misinformation' as well.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
I like most al threads started by Baha'is and most threads about the Baha'i Faith. I have my disagreements with some of the things they say. And I'm part of a group of people here at the forum that usually questions some of those things they believe. I do think heir basic tenets are great. The oneness of humanity and such. It's just some of their beliefs and explanations of other religions that I have a problem with. So, I was wondering, what have you learned so far? Is everything falling into place and making sense?
Thus we begin to see the organic part of Faith. Faith must be planted, watered and tendered. Along the way it must be pruned before in the end we produce the fruit of that Faith. If one lives at the time when the fruit is yet to be seen, then they can not see the potential of that tree, unless they partake of the vision of the gardener.
Baha'u'llah has said about internal issues;
"..Nothing whatever can, in this Day, inflict a greater harm upon this Cause than dissension and strife, contention, estrangement and apathy, among the loved ones of God. Flee them, through the power of God and His sovereign aid, and strive ye to knit together the hearts of men, in His Name, the Unifier, the All-Knowing, the All-Wise..."
As for external Issues;
"...We have said: ‘My imprisonment doeth Me no harm, nor do the things that have befallen Me at the hands of My enemies. That which harmeth Me is the conduct of my loved ones who, though they bear My name, yet commit that which maketh My heart and My pen to lament.’ Such utterances as these have again and again been revealed, yet the heedless have failed to profit thereby, since they are captive to their own evil passions and corrupt desires. Beseech thou the One true God that He may enable everyone to repent and return unto Him. So long as one’s nature yieldeth unto evil passions, crime and transgression will prevail. We cherish the hope that the hand of divine power and the outpouring of heavenly blessings may sustain all men, may attire them with the vesture of forgiveness and bounty and guard them against that which would harm His Cause among His servants. He is, in truth, the Potent, the All-Powerful, and He is the Ever-Forgiving, the Merciful..."
If we struggle with such a Message, then give consideration to Biblical Prophecy. It says;
2 Timothy 3:1-5 "..But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people..."
Before we are Bahai and hear of this message, we are part of that generation and Baha'u'llah asks us to become a 'New Race of Men'.
The House of Justice has, over the past several years, observed the grave disunities within the Bahá’í community of ... which have so impaired the functions of the National Spiritual Assembly and local Assemblies alike, and which has seriously obstructed the growth and health of the Faith in that land. ...each must, in his actions, words and demeanor, represent the transforming influence of the Teachings of Bahá’u’lláh, such personal transformations being the key to the creation of that new race of men and women promised by the Teachings; indeed, it is only when our “inner lives and private character” are imbued with the standards of the Faith and are reflected in our actions that we may truly represent the Cause in the noble purposes for which it was sent by God through the Blessed Beauty." (26 November 1985, written on behalf of the Universal House of Justice to a Bahá’í couple)
Thus we begin to see the organic part of Faith. Faith must be planted, watered and tendered. Along the way it must be pruned before in the end we produce the fruit of that Faith.
If one lives at the time when the fruit is yet to be seen, then they can not see the potential of that tree, unless they partake of the vision of the gardener.
Baha'u'llah has said about internal issues;
"..Nothing whatever can, in this Day, inflict a greater harm upon this Cause than dissension and strife, contention, estrangement and apathy, among the loved ones of God. Flee them, through the power of God and His sovereign aid, and strive ye to knit together the hearts of men, in His Name, the Unifier, the All-Knowing, the All-Wise..."
As for external Issues;
"...We have said: ‘My imprisonment doeth Me no harm, nor do the things that have befallen Me at the hands of My enemies. That which harmeth Me is the conduct of my loved ones who, though they bear My name, yet commit that which maketh My heart and My pen to lament.’ Such utterances as these have again and again been revealed, yet the heedless have failed to profit thereby, since they are captive to their own evil passions and corrupt desires. Beseech thou the One true God that He may enable everyone to repent and return unto Him. So long as one’s nature yieldeth unto evil passions, crime and transgression will prevail. We cherish the hope that the hand of divine power and the outpouring of heavenly blessings may sustain all men, may attire them with the vesture of forgiveness and bounty and guard them against that which would harm His Cause among His servants. He is, in truth, the Potent, the All-Powerful, and He is the Ever-Forgiving, the Merciful..."
If we struggle with such a Message, then give consideration to Biblical Prophecy. It says;
2 Timothy 3:1-5 "..But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people..."
Before we are Bahai and hear of this message, we are part of that generation and Baha'u'llah asks us to become a 'New Race of Men'.
I see many have made great transformation and many of us have not and are still working on the issues. These have been addressed many times;
"The House of Justice has, over the past several years, observed the grave disunities within the Bahá’í community of ... which have so impaired the functions of the National Spiritual Assembly and local Assemblies alike, and which has seriously obstructed the growth and health of the Faith in that land. ...each must, in his actions, words and demeanor, represent the transforming influence of the Teachings of Bahá’u’lláh, such personal transformations being the key to the creation of that new race of men and women promised by the Teachings; indeed, it is only when our “inner lives and private character” are imbued with the standards of the Faith and are reflected in our actions that we may truly represent the Cause in the noble purposes for which it was sent by God through the Blessed Beauty." (26 November 1985, written on behalf of the Universal House of Justice to a Bahá’í couple)
Now, do we judge the Message by he Followers, or is the Message by its own standard?
No Faith is correct if it is judged by the actions of some of it followers.
Regards Tony