But they do have an effect on you. They lead you to come up with the rationalization that God is a liar.
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Contradictions in the Bible
- Thread starter rrobs
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Not to forget that it makes no sense to send lies after the fact to people that do not believe. Have you really thought this through son?
Why encourage people not to believe? Where is the sense in that?
What exactly changes in this sending of lies? Is the Bible changing so that it reads one way for believers and another for non-believers? How would you know this?
Who sends lies? What are those that send lies called?
Good-Ole-Rebel
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I said God sending the lie is no different then God sending satan. You said this is not Scriptural. I showed you (Job 1:6-12) proves it is Scirptural.
Which is why you never addressed it and have attempted to blow smoke and fog to cover up you ignorance of Scripture.
So, when you think you can address it....get back with me.
Good-Ole-Rebel
Good-Ole-Rebel
Well-Known Member
Yes, I know the mind of God. But I only know the revealed knowledge of God as given in the Bible.
Good-Ole-Rebel
Good-Ole-Rebel
Well-Known Member
None of that changes that the Truth is found in Jesus Christ and the Bible.
Good-Ole-Rebel
Skwim
Veteran Member
Not post 781 but 78.
No you didn't. The "two" Ahaziahs were one in the same, just different versions of the event.
2 Kings 9 27-28 [Your Evidence]
He [Ahaziah] tried to escape through the garden house, but Jehu followed him. Jehu had said, “Shoot Ahaziah too!”
Ahaziah was wounded when he was in his chariot on the road to Gur near Ibleam. He got as far as Megiddo, but he died there. 28 Ahaziah’s servants carried his body in the chariot to Jerusalem.
2 Chronicles 22: 9 [Your Evidence]
9 Then Jehu looked for Ahaziah. Jehu’s men caught him when he tried to hide in the town of Samaria. They brought him to Jehu. They killed Ahaziah and buried him.
He [Ahaziah] tried to escape through the garden house, but Jehu followed him. Jehu had said, “Shoot Ahaziah too!”
Ahaziah was wounded when he was in his chariot on the road to Gur near Ibleam. He got as far as Megiddo, but he died there. 28 Ahaziah’s servants carried his body in the chariot to Jerusalem.
2 Chronicles 22: 9 [Your Evidence]
9 Then Jehu looked for Ahaziah. Jehu’s men caught him when he tried to hide in the town of Samaria. They brought him to Jehu. They killed Ahaziah and buried him.
2 Chronicles 22:2 [Your Evidence]
2 He was 22 years old when he began to rule. He ruled one year in Jerusalem. His mother’s name was Athaliah. Her father’s name was Omri.
2 He was 22 years old when he began to rule. He ruled one year in Jerusalem. His mother’s name was Athaliah. Her father’s name was Omri.
I don't see a thing even suggesting two Athaliahs
MOREOVER, you have the almost identical stories of of Ahaziah's rise to reign.
2 Kings 8:25-27
25 In the twelfth year of Joram the son of Ahab king of Israel did Ahaziah the son of Jehoram king of Judah begin to reign.
26 Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Athaliah, the daughter of Omri king of Israel.
2 Chronicles 22
22 And the inhabitants of Jerusalem made Ahaziah his youngest son king in his stead: for the band of men that came with the Arabians to the camp had slain all the eldest. So Ahaziah the son of Jehoram king of Judah reigned. 2 Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother’s name also was Athaliah the daughter of Omri.
25 In the twelfth year of Joram the son of Ahab king of Israel did Ahaziah the son of Jehoram king of Judah begin to reign.
26 Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Athaliah, the daughter of Omri king of Israel.
2 Chronicles 22
22 And the inhabitants of Jerusalem made Ahaziah his youngest son king in his stead: for the band of men that came with the Arabians to the camp had slain all the eldest. So Ahaziah the son of Jehoram king of Judah reigned. 2 Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother’s name also was Athaliah the daughter of Omri.
A contradiction set within an identical context.
No, I believe the contradiction because that's what it is.
Ahaziah the son of Jehoram king of Judah (2 kings)
Ahaziah the son of Jehoram king of Judah (2 Chronicles) IDENTICAL
Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign; (2 kings)
Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign (2 Chronicles) CONTRADICTION
and he reigned one year in Jerusalem (2 kings)
and he reigned one year in Jerusalem (2 Chronicles) IDENTICAL
his mother's name was Athaliah, the daughter of Omri . (2 kings)
His mother’s name also was Athaliah the daughter of Omri. (2 Chronicles) NEAR IDENTICAL
Ahaziah the son of Jehoram king of Judah (2 Chronicles) IDENTICAL
Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign; (2 kings)
Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign (2 Chronicles) CONTRADICTION
and he reigned one year in Jerusalem (2 kings)
and he reigned one year in Jerusalem (2 Chronicles) IDENTICAL
his mother's name was Athaliah, the daughter of Omri . (2 kings)
His mother’s name also was Athaliah the daughter of Omri. (2 Chronicles) NEAR IDENTICAL
Only because your faith doesn't allow you to accept them. Your faith demands that 2 = 3
Oh, I'm not denying the claim that your Bible came from your god here, only your claim that It is not an imperfect Book and that there are no contradictions in it.
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Workman
UNIQUE
Have YOU NOT BEEN so busy proving point..as which (ALREADY) was before you!
Let me enlighten ALL YOU!..
Before YOU is in the (i)=eye.
(I) WILL BE THE ONLY LIAR..TO BE [TRUE]
And (YOU), have NOT been listening, (I) already told you of all my Lie(S)..for
Yours are still in the [LIE].
But Now your; (I’m) thinking too much that now (YOU) forget to THINK.
Beware before your eyes(I)..it [WILL] deceive in you.
Let me enlighten ALL YOU!..
Before YOU is in the (i)=eye.
(I) WILL BE THE ONLY LIAR..TO BE [TRUE]
And (YOU), have NOT been listening, (I) already told you of all my Lie(S)..for
Yours are still in the [LIE].
But Now your; (I’m) thinking too much that now (YOU) forget to THINK.
Beware before your eyes(I)..it [WILL] deceive in you.
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Good-Ole-Rebel
Well-Known Member
Nor am I.
As I said, your unbelief takes nothing away from God or me.
Good-Ole-Rebel
My unbelief in what?
Your belief is calling God a liar, That would have a great impact on my beliefs if it were true.
Good-Ole-Rebel
Well-Known Member
You are calling God a liar. I know why you are doing it. You feel you have to break your back doing acrobatics to rationalize contradictions in the Bible. It has shaken you so badly, you came up with "God is a liar" as an answer.
Good-Ole-Rebel
Well-Known Member
God gives the Truth. Those that reject the Truth, God sends the lie. They call Him God.
Good-Ole-Rebel
You ignored the Bible. I presented five or six passages that show that God is not a liar and not one peep from you.
Now you are rambling. If both are calling him God, then how is the second group rejecting Him? Perhaps you meant something else and a getting flustered.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
LOL! You keep calling God a liar. A poor excuse for lying still makes one a liar when one lies.
So I guess it is okay if people send fake evidence to your wife that you cheated on her. After all it is not lying.
I do not believe you. You do not know the mind of God. You are aware of the Bible, but do not recognize the things in the Bible that tell you that you are wrong. For example, the many passages that say that God is not a liar.
Good-Ole-Rebel
Well-Known Member
There are plenty of contradictions that found in the Bible that I have no answer for. This is not one. Go find one of those if it makes you feel better.
Good-Ole-Rebel
I never said that the story of Job was not scriptural. Now you are sending something. Not unexpected mind you. You are not the first creationist/literalist/fundamentalist that I have met.
I never addressed it directly, because the concept of Satan is not the same thing as calling God a liar.
I have addressed it much more than you addressed the verses of the Bible that show that God is not a liar. You will never get back to me on that.