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Have any intermediary life forms, particular in the way of apes, developed writing?

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
"All other hundreds of thousands of words are later "inventions""

And most of them are rather borrowed from other languages. Right, please?

Regards

Either completely new words, or old words that were "mutated" over the generations so hard that you'ld barely recognise them compared to the root they came from.

The evolution of languages actually very closely resembles the evolution of life.

Latin evolved into spanish, frensh, italian and portugese.
But at no point in history did a latin speaking mother giver birth to a spanish speaking child.
Every human ever raised, spoke the same language as the people that raise him/her.

And yet, the distant ancestors of the people who today speak french, italian, spanish or portugese... all spoke latin.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Humans do have creativity and inventiveness but its has been endowed by G-d-the Creator* and is a reflection of His attribute of Creativeness.

This is a rather bold claim that requires quite extra-ordinary evidence. Got any?


You (and or anybody else) cannot name a "word" that has been created by you and that went into the Lexicon.

Sure I can. And it's not even difficult.
Here's a relatively new verbe, which meant nothing in 1989: "to google"

It is a process set as intuition and endowed by G-d to the humans for their convenience. They should praise and thank G-d for this endowment being true humans, if they like it and happily do it. There is no harm in it. Right, please?


More claims in need of quite some evidence. Got any?
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
However, what is wrong with saying “God did it” when He did it?

How about, the aliens did it. Why is that any less likely than God did it? After all, we might just be some aliens' experiment for all we know - foisting a whole load of religious beliefs on us to see how we fare - and for their entertainment. :eek:
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
"Have any intermediary life forms, particular in the way of apes, developed writing?"
Just for information, please.
Regards
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#700

[96:4]اِقۡرَاۡ وَ رَبُّکَ الۡاَکۡرَمُ ۙ﴿۴﴾
Convey! And thy Lord is Most Generous,
[96:5]الَّذِیۡ عَلَّمَ بِالۡقَلَمِ ۙ﴿۵﴾
Who taught man by the pen,
[96:6]عَلَّمَ الۡاِنۡسَانَ مَا لَمۡ یَعۡلَمۡ ؕ﴿۶﴾
Taught man what he knew not.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 96: Al-`Alaq

I heard creationists can write. Some of them, at least :)

Ciao

- viole
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
I heard creationists can write. Some of them, at least :)

Ciao

- viole
I understand that humans god evolved under a process in millions of years as per planning and design of G-d. Adam was not the first human being but the first of the humans being who got evolved to the level that he was made a prophet/messenger of G-d to his people, and G-d conversed with Adam directly. Right, please?

Regards
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
I understand that humans god evolved under a process in millions of years as per planning and design of G-d. Adam was not the first human being but the first of the humans being who got evolved to the level that he was made a prophet/messenger of G-d to his people, and G-d conversed with Adam directly. Right, please?

Regards

What are you smoking? Must be good stuff.

G-d conversing with Adam? I can imagine how that took place

G-d: Hi Adam, how is it going today?
Adam: Cool, God. What about you? you look a wee tired today
G-d: yes, creating all that was a stress. Thanks Me it’s Friday, tho. BTW, my name is not God. It is G-d
Adam: sorry Ghhd
G-d: Ok, forget it. Not important. My bad. i should not have created you so late in the evening. Next time I will create a better tongue and vocal chords for the pinnacle of my creation.

Ciao

- viole
 
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Bear Wild

Well-Known Member
Your thinking is incorrect.

Humans do have creativity and inventiveness but its has been endowed by G-d-the Creator* and is a reflection of His attribute of Creativeness. We have a hue of His attributes with limits and or within limits.
Humans cannot create "Something out of Nothing" and without using things endowed by Him.
And this is one of His attributes among so many.

You (and or anybody else) cannot name a "word" that has been created by you and that went into the Lexicon.
Similarly you (and or anybody else) cannot name a "word" that has been caused to die by you and that went out of the Lexicon.

It is a process set as intuition and endowed by G-d to the humans for their convenience. They should praise and thank G-d for this endowment being true humans, if they like it and happily do it. There is no harm in it. Right, please?

Regards
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*[2:118]بَدِیۡعُ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ الۡاَرۡضِ ؕ وَ اِذَا قَضٰۤی اَمۡرًا فَاِنَّمَا یَقُوۡلُ لَہٗ کُنۡ فَیَکُوۡنُ ﴿۱۱۸﴾
He is the Originator of the heavens and the earth. When He decrees a thing, He does only say to it, ‘Be!’ and it is.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 2: Al-Baqarah

If you substitute nature in place of G-d you have a much better explanation with actual evidence which is being reconfirmed continuously as we understand the human brain better. Humans created the idea of god then in their own minds gave that god the power over them. Now with a better understanding of affective neuroscience accepting animals important comparative subjects we see that the creation of advancing communication skill are an essential part of socialization in all animals.

All of our illustrious cognitive capacity is to support the body in an integrated way and not as some separate entity above and beyond the body itself as so often portrayed in classical western interpretations. The natural forces that created all living things created the capacity for animals to communicate in social groups. Evidence of the evolutionary process can be seen in the fox2 gene as already mentioned when comparing the mutational point differences among the primate and even other mammals. There is nothing needed outside of the natural world to explain this and the human centric view that we are so special and separate from other living forms has been leading us to extinction.

Nature explains it all so why put an undetectable entity which we cannot communicate to in writing or any other language capacity for the explanation.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
What are you smoking? Must be good stuff.

G-d conversing with Adam? I can imagine how that took place

G-d: Hi Adam, how is it going today?
Adam: Cool, God. What about you? you look a wee tired today
G-d: yes, creating all that was a stress. Thanks Me it’s Friday, tho. BTW, my name is not God. It is G-d
Adam: sorry Ghhd
G-d: Ok, forget it. Not important. My bad. i should not have created you so late in the evening. Next time I will create a better tongue and vocal chords for the pinnacle of my creation.

Ciao

- viole
Well, that is one's imagination. It is neither from Word of Revelation from G-d, nor from Science, the best sources of knowledge.Right, please?
One's imagination need not be truthful. Right, please?
Please enjoy one's puffing, if one is used to it, and when one is done with it, then we will resume our talk.

Regards
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
If you substitute nature in place of G-d you have a much better explanation with actual evidence which is being reconfirmed continuously as we understand the human brain better. Humans created the idea of god then in their own minds gave that god the power over them. Now with a better understanding of affective neuroscience accepting animals important comparative subjects we see that the creation of advancing communication skill are an essential part of socialization in all animals.

All of our illustrious cognitive capacity is to support the body in an integrated way and not as some separate entity above and beyond the body itself as so often portrayed in classical western interpretations. The natural forces that created all living things created the capacity for animals to communicate in social groups. Evidence of the evolutionary process can be seen in the fox2 gene as already mentioned when comparing the mutational point differences among the primate and even other mammals. There is nothing needed outside of the natural world to explain this and the human centric view that we are so special and separate from other living forms has been leading us to extinction.

Nature explains it all so why put an undetectable entity which we cannot communicate to in writing or any other language capacity for the explanation.
"nature"

And "nature" is what has been set by G-d at the time of creation of Universe/s and life in it. When He commanded the word "be", with it everything started taking shape under the processes set and designed by G-d.
Not much has been discovered of it (nature) by the humans, and whatever has been discovered falls short of what remains to be discovered by the humans about life.
The "fox2 gene" already existed, not created by the humans but discovered. We laud efforts of Science, it is discovering for our interest the secrets of G-d creation in service of humanity.It is good thing.
It is a "work in progress" and nothing is final.
We, therefore, praise our G-d for enabling humans to peep into the creation that other life partners (trees and animals) cannot do.
Religion and Science are friends of one another. Right, please?
Does "fox2 gene" is found in humans only, please?

Regards
 
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Bear Wild

Well-Known Member
"nature"

And "nature" is what has been set by G-d at the time of creation of Universe/s and life in it. When He commanded the word "be", with it everything started taking shape under the processes set and designed by G-d.
Not much has been discovered of it (nature) by the humans, and whatever has been discovered falls short of what remains to be discovered by the humans about life.
The "fox2 gene" already existed, not created by the humans but discovered. We laud efforts of Science, it is discovering for our interest the secrets of G-d creation in service of humanity.It is good thing.
It is a "work in progress" and nothing is final.
We, therefore, praise our G-d for enabling humans to peep into the creation that other life partners (trees and animals) cannot do.
Religion and Science are friends of one another. Right, please?
Does "fox2 gene" is found in humans only, please?

Regards
The foxp2 gene is found in other animals who see the natural world in similar and different ways as humans. The gene has been selected for by the evolutionary process because it is supportive of socialization with respect to communication. Its development allow humans to communicate and come up with all kinds of ideas including G-d and goddesses. Humans have created all kinds of gods and goddesses with features that also have helped with socialization as well as control. Thus the natural world which is knowable created a species which created the ideas of beings that are unknowable and use these beings for social control. As far as science and religions being friends, there are many religious people who believe and understand evolution and how it created humans who are related to the other animals of the world in varying degrees.
 
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