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Satan sent Jesus

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susanblange

Active Member
A spotless lamb dying so the death angel passes over. Rings a bell?

There are sin substitutes in the Bible

Psalm 32
Of David. A maskil.
1 Blessed is the one
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
2 Blessed is the one
whose sin the Lord does not count against them
and in whose spirit is no deceit.
Animals can be a substitute for sin, but humans cannot. We are also supposed to eat the sacrifice. John 6:48-58. This passage regards the Eucharist where Christians are required to eat the body and drink the blood of Jesus. Christians have perverted the laws of God.
 

susanblange

Active Member
Once one has separated one's beliefs and worldview from evidence and reason,
one could wind up believing almost anything.
Tom
I think your statement refers to Christians. There are multiple English versions of the Bible and there are tens of thousands of Christian denominations. I am a Fundamentalist and I take the scriptures at their plain, literal meaning. Isaiah 1:18. "Come now, and let us reason together..." The second wise man was logical. The first was friendly and the third never said a word. It wasn't their knowledge that made them wise, it was their demeanor and deportment. The NT is full of contradictions and Christians can find anything in it to support their own beliefs.
 

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
Animals can be a substitute for sin, but humans cannot. We are also supposed to eat the sacrifice. John 6:48-58. This passage regards the Eucharist where Christians are required to eat the body and drink the blood of Jesus. Christians have perverted the laws of God.

Christians do make Jesus part of their life and in that sense 'eat of his flesh and drink of his blood' making his life their life.

In that chapter of John, Jesus may have been acting as 'the refiner' and 'separating wheat from chaff' as some followed him for wrong reasons and because of his hard sayings those who did not truly believe and were not his turned away.
 

susanblange

Active Member
Christians do make Jesus part of their life and in that sense 'eat of his flesh and drink of his blood' making his life their life.

In that chapter of John, Jesus may have been acting as 'the refiner' and 'separating wheat from chaff' as some followed him for wrong reasons and because of his hard sayings those who did not truly believe and were not his turned away.
Every time a Christian takes communion, they are symbolically eating Jesus' body and drinking his blood. John 6:53. "Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you". Are you calling Jesus a liar? Psalm 16:4. "Their sorrows shall be multiplied that hasten after another god: their drink offerings of blood will I not offer, nor take up their names into my lips".
 

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
Every time a Christian takes communion, they are symbolically eating Jesus' body and drinking his blood. John 6:53. "Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you". Are you calling Jesus a liar? Psalm 16:4. "Their sorrows shall be multiplied that hasten after another god: their drink offerings of blood will I not offer, nor take up their names into my lips".

That is more a Catholic and to an extent a Luthern view
A reformed view would be Jesus is spiritually present plus the memorial
A dispensational view is only the memorial
 

susanblange

Active Member
That is more a Catholic and to an extent a Luthern view
A reformed view would be Jesus is spiritually present plus the memorial
A dispensational view is only the memorial
I am a Fundamentalist and I take the scriptures at their plain, literal meaning. I do not accept the NT as scripture. There are a lot of contradictions and it's not consistent. It was also written generations after Jesus died. It's all hearsay. I have seen multitudes of prophecies from the OT literally fulfilled. The KJV is not perfect, but it is remarkably accurate.
 

JohnAmes

Member
God appeared to Moses on Mount Sinai, while he was fasting, for forty days and nights, and gave him the Decalogue/Covenant. Exodus 34:28. Likewise, Satan appeared to Jesus also in a Mount, while fasting, for forty days and nights, and made a covenant with him. Matt. 4:1-2, Matt. 4:8-9. Jesus was offered power in the world if he would serve Satan. Jesus came out of that preaching the Kingdom of Heaven/God, aka the "New World Order", he took the offer. Luke 4:5-7. Matt. 28:18. This Kingdom will be characterized by righteousness, justice, and peace. Jesus came for sinners, the true Messiah is coming for the righteous. Luke 5:32. Psalm 35:27. Jesus completed Satan's work. John 4:34. Ezekiel 13:22. Jesus is kind to the evil. Luke 6:35. Jesus wanted to be crucified because he thought it would fulfill scripture. Jesus told his followers to take up their cross and follow him. Matt.10:38. Jesus died the "deaths of the uncircumcised". Ezekiel 28:10. The Messiah is called the "Prince of Peace", Isaiah 9:6. Jesus brought war and division. Luke 12:51. There is a reward for the righteous. Psalm 58:11. Satan is the god of this world and it was the multitudes who followed Jesus who had him crucified.


I love these ideas.
abrahams wife sarah was barren, they had a son
isaac wifes rebekah was barren, they had a son
jacobs wife rachael was barren, they had a son joseph.
samuels mother was barren
samsons mother was barren
zechariahs wife elizabeth was barren, they had John the Baptist.

here comes the virgin messiah
 

susanblange

Active Member
I love these ideas.
abrahams wife sarah was barren, they had a son
isaac wifes rebekah was barren, they had a son
jacobs wife rachael was barren, they had a son joseph.
samuels mother was barren
samsons mother was barren
zechariahs wife elizabeth was barren, they had John the Baptist.

here comes the virgin messiah
The Messiah is also barren, but she's not a virgin. Isaiah 54:1. "Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife..." The Messiah is asexual, celibate, and frigid. Job 38:29. "Out of whose womb came the ice?" I think this is why Catholic priests do not marry, and are celibate.
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Jesus is Lucifer, Satan's counterfeit messiah. The name means "morning star" and that was who Jesus claimed to be. Revelation 22:16. He has been kicked out of Heaven and reincarnated. Isaiah 14:12-17. He will lead the "sons of darkness" and this time he will die by spontaneous combustion as will all of his followers in the end. Ezekiel 28:18-19. Zechariah 14:12.
Why don't we consider the 'bad' jesus, here.
There is a good jesus, just a different person.
There is also the wacky rabbi riddler, hardly lucifer.



So, a 'bad yeshua', not the wacky riddler, and not g-d.
Ok, now traditionally, such a person might be considered lucifer, however how did lucifer manifest, as described in the bible? That type of manifestation? Lucifer is a fallen angel, hardly who is going to be the actual 'fake jesus', excluding wacky riddler yeshua.
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
God appeared to Moses on Mount Sinai, while he was fasting, for forty days and nights, and gave him the Decalogue/Covenant. Exodus 34:28. Likewise, Satan appeared to Jesus also in a Mount, while fasting, for forty days and nights, and made a covenant with him. Matt. 4:1-2, Matt. 4:8-9. Jesus was offered power in the world if he would serve Satan. Jesus came out of that preaching the Kingdom of Heaven/God, aka the "New World Order", he took the offer. Luke 4:5-7. Matt. 28:18. This Kingdom will be characterized by righteousness, justice, and peace. Jesus came for sinners, the true Messiah is coming for the righteous. Luke 5:32. Psalm 35:27. Jesus completed Satan's work. John 4:34. Ezekiel 13:22. Jesus is kind to the evil. Luke 6:35. Jesus wanted to be crucified because he thought it would fulfill scripture. Jesus told his followers to take up their cross and follow him. Matt.10:38. Jesus died the "deaths of the uncircumcised". Ezekiel 28:10. The Messiah is called the "Prince of Peace", Isaiah 9:6. Jesus brought war and division. Luke 12:51. There is a reward for the righteous. Psalm 58:11. Satan is the god of this world and it was the multitudes who followed Jesus who had him crucified.
Where does it say the Kingdom of God is known as the "New World Order"?

Correct, the Messiah is coming for the righteous on Judgement Day, this is explained in the Book of Revelation, but first He had to come and teach the true meaning of righteousness to a spiritually corrupt generation, succinctly expressed in two commandments....Matt 23:36-40.

“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.". This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
 

susanblange

Active Member
Where does it say the Kingdom of God is known as the "New World Order"?

Correct, the Messiah is coming for the righteous on Judgement Day, this is explained in the Book of Revelation, but first He had to come and teach the true meaning of righteousness to a spiritually corrupt generation, succinctly expressed in two commandments....Matt 23:36-40.

“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.". This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
The "New World Order" is the secular name for the Kingdom of God which is the Kingdom of Heaven on earth. Only God can establish it and it will last forever. Job 38:33. The greatest commandment is the first one, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me". The second is "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor". These were the two commandments written on a clay tablet by the Messiah in 1984. Perjury is a lie under oath and it is a deadly sin.
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
The "New World Order" is the secular name for the Kingdom of God which is the Kingdom of Heaven on earth. Only God can establish it and it will last forever. Job 38:33. The greatest commandment is the first one, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me". The second is "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor". These were the two commandments written on a clay tablet by the Messiah in 1984. Perjury is a lie under oath and it is a deadly sin.
God was pointing out to Job in 38:33 that he must learn humility, that Job does not know or understand the laws of Heaven and Earth, it does not imply the establishment of a "new world order". However if you think it does, so be it, we will leave it at that.

Whooa.....who was the Messiah who wrote those two commandments on a clay tablet in 1984?
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
@ben d

"I am the Messiah and I am the most Holy. The signs of my spiritual rebirth were mainly signs to convince me. I'm a hard sell. My calling lasted ten months, from August 1983 till May, 1984. Every month a prophecy was fulfilled. The Jews have rejected me which is the fulfillment of prophecy. They are expecting an ethnically Jewish male, and I am neither. There was supposed to be a surprise and the surprise is that God is a woman. My doctor of 42 years is Jewish and he believes in me, although it took him 24 years to admit it. He is Elijah the Prophet and my savior. I am literally going to set the world on fire."
Thanks Terry for the heads up. I hope Susan is only joking, I don't want to think that she is serious, my heart would deeply saddened, for her sake.
 

susanblange

Active Member
All the signs of my spiritual rebirth have been fulfilled. They include: the three wise men and baptism in the river on the rocks, the drummer boy, the star in the east and visiting kings, the birth of Emanuel, and the flying roll (my diary). My calling ended on Mothers Day, Sunday morning, May 13, 1984 with the voice from Heaven that said, "Wake up Maggie" and the song by Rod Stewart played on the radio. A lot of messianic prophecies are not in the Bible. They are in books that were not canonized and are part of the oral tradition. In my first public appearance I ended the Cold War, I ended the civil war in Ireland between the Protestants and Catholics, I restored pride to the US military, and in 1988 I began to get the Jews out of Russia.
 
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