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Contradictions in the Bible

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I certainly believe my views of some things in Scripture are right. There are other areas where it is somewhat gray and one must give some allowance.

Here on this forum, many of the things discussed are what I would consider dogma. The things that the believer must believe.

There are believers with different views on the flood. I do believe the flood existed and was over the whole earth. I believe the Bible teaches that. Those who disagree do so usually for other reasons then the Bible.

Good-Ole-Rebel
And that is an excellent example of you claiming that either God is a liar or that the Bible cannot be read literally. You would need to learn a little science to understand why we know that there was no Flood as written in the Bible, but almost anyone that can be honest with themselves can see how there could not have been a flood.
 

Good-Ole-Rebel

Well-Known Member
Evil is as evil does.

But once you understand that "god"
is just a character in a semi historical
novel, there is no need for such contortions
as to say he does terrible things but they
are moral coz he does it.

I don't believe I have described God as moral or immoral. God is righteous in what He does.

Good-Ole-Rebel
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
Heb 2:14,

Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Hebrews says the one with the power of death is the devil. God is certainly not in the business of helping the devil exercise his power.

Death is an enemy (1 Cor 15;26). God on the other hand is love. It was nor ever will be his desire that anybody should die.

Death is in no way God's cup of tea.

Ezek 18:32,

For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn [yourselves], and live ye.​

There must be some other explanation. How about Ezekiel as a starting point?

Ezek 33:11,

Say unto them, [As] I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
Could it be my free will decisions throughout life be a factor in my death? I'm thinking it does. But God's will includes a giving me a new body when Jesus comes back as King of Kings and Lord of Lords. It'll be just like his resurrected body. God would be fine with everybody in the world that ever lived getting a similar new body. But, because of God's gift of free will, some want it and others don't. God can only urge us on, but he won't force anybody to follow His will.
Surely you don't think Jehovah asked Satan to kill these persons in these instances... or is that your view?
(Matthew 10:28) And do not become fearful of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather, fear him who can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.

(Hebrews 3:16, 17)
16 For who heard and yet provoked him to bitter anger? Was it not, in fact, all those who went out of Egypt under Moses? 17 Moreover, with whom did God become disgusted for 40 years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose dead bodies fell in the wilderness?

(Acts 5:1-11) . . .However, a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, sold some property. 2 But he secretly held back some of the price, with his wife’s knowledge, and he brought just a part of it and deposited it at the feet of the apostles. 3 But Peter said: “Ananias, why has Satan emboldened you to lie to the holy spirit and secretly hold back some of the price of the field? 4 As long as it remained with you, did it not remain yours? And after it was sold, was it not in your control? Why have you thought up such a deed as this in your heart? You have lied, not to men, but to God.” 5 On hearing these words, Ananias collapsed and died. And great fear came over all those who heard about it. 6 Then the younger men rose, wrapped him in cloths, carried him out, and buried him. 7 Now after an interval of about three hours his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8 Peter said to her: “Tell me, did you two sell the field for so much?” She said: “Yes, for that amount.” 9 So Peter said to her: “Why did you two agree to make a test of the spirit of Jehovah? Look! The feet of those who buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out.” 10 Instantly she collapsed at his feet and died. When the young men came in, they found her dead and they carried her out and buried her alongside her husband. 11 So great fear came over the whole congregation and over all those hearing about these things.

(2 Samuel 6:6, 7) 6 But when they came to the threshing floor of Naʹcon, Uzzah thrust his hand out to the Ark of the true God and grabbed hold of it, for the cattle nearly upset it. 7 At that Jehovah’s anger blazed against Uzzah, and the true God struck him down there for his irreverent act, and he died there beside the Ark of the true God.

(Exodus 4:23) 23 I say to you, Send my son away so that he may serve me. But if you refuse to send him away, I am going to kill your son, your firstborn.”’”

(Exodus 11:4, 5) 4 Moses then said: “This is what Jehovah has said, ‘About midnight I am going out into the midst of Egypt, 5 and every firstborn in the land of Egypt will die, from the firstborn of Pharaoh who is sitting on his throne to the firstborn of the slave girl who is working at the hand mill, and every firstborn of the livestock.

(Exodus 12:29, 30) 29 Then at midnight, Jehovah struck down every firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh who was sitting on his throne to the firstborn of the captive who was in the prison, and every firstborn of the animals. 30 Pharaoh got up that night along with all his servants and all the other Egyptians, and there was a great outcry among the Egyptians, because there was not a house where someone was not dead.

(Exodus 13:14-16) 14 “In case your son should ask you later on, ‘What does this mean?’ then you should say to him, ‘With a mighty hand Jehovah brought us out of Egypt, from the house of slavery. 15 When Pharaoh stubbornly refused to send us away, Jehovah killed every firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of man to the firstborn of beast. That is why I am sacrificing to Jehovah all the firstborn males, and I redeem every firstborn of my sons.’ 16 This must serve as a sign on your hand and as a headband on your forehead, for with a mighty hand Jehovah brought us out of Egypt.”

(Exodus 14:23-25) 23 The Egyptians pursued them, and all Pharaoh’s horses, his war chariots, and his cavalrymen began going after them into the midst of the sea. 24 During the morning watch, Jehovah looked at the camp of the Egyptians from within the pillar of fire and cloud, and he threw the camp of the Egyptians into confusion. 25 He kept taking wheels off their chariots so that they were driving them with difficulty, and the Egyptians were saying: “Let us flee from any contact with Israel, because Jehovah is fighting for them against the Egyptians.”

(Genesis 6:5-8) 5 Consequently, Jehovah saw that man’s wickedness was great on the earth and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only bad all the time. 6 Jehovah regretted that he had made men on the earth, and his heart was saddened. 7 So Jehovah said: “I am going to wipe men whom I have created off the surface of the ground, man together with domestic animals, creeping animals, and flying creatures of the heavens, for I regret that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of Jehovah.

(Genesis 6:13) 13 After that God said to Noah: “I have decided to put an end to all flesh, because the earth is full of violence on account of them, so I am bringing them to ruin together with the earth.

(Genesis 7:21-24) 21 So all living creatures that were moving on the earth perished—the flying creatures, the domestic animals, the wild animals, the swarming creatures, and all mankind. 22 Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 So He wiped every living thing from the surface of the earth, including man, animals, creeping animals, and the flying creatures of the sky. They were all wiped off the earth; only Noah and those with him in the ark survived. 24 And the waters continued overwhelming the earth for 150 days.

(1 Samuel 6:19) 19 But God struck down the men of Beth-sheʹmesh, because they had looked upon the Ark of Jehovah. He struck down 50,070 among the people, and the people began mourning because Jehovah had struck them down with a great slaughter.

Some consider many of these accounts myths, and some feel they are far removed from a loving God, and don't belong in scripture. Are these your feelings as well?
What about when Jehovah gives an order to kill - whether he orders an angel, or men?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Literal interpretation allows for the use of metaphors, simile's, allegory, symbols, etc. Thus believers as sheep and Christ as the Shepherd is easily understood. Or Christ as the door, the entrance, is understood.

But not everything in the Bible is a metaphor. Thus the Bible is not interpreted metaphorically. It is interpreted normally, and when metaphor's are used, then use them. But, just because something is miraculous or spiritual, does not make it a metaphor.

And if such language is used, it is used to describe a literal truth.

Good-Ole-Rebel
Does it now? Then Jesus's referring to Noah was simile, allegory, poetic license, call it what you will. That is an out for you if you want to claim the Bible.to be valid.
 

Good-Ole-Rebel

Well-Known Member
There is a huge problem. That leads to self contradiction and dishonesty. A person cannot honestly deny the contradictions in the Bible honestly if they interpret the book literally. And then as you have demonstrated more than once any literal interpretation also calls God a liar, in more ways than one.

It is no problem.

I do not know everything in the Bible. Still learning. As all Christians are. If I come across a contradiction I can't answer, so be it. I will just wait till I get the answer. No hurry.

Good-Ole-Rebel
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
That passive aggressive stuff is such a steady
background hum from so many christians that
I did not even take any particular note of it in this
iteration.
Normally I wouldn't even respond. But something about the brevity - so short, and yet within which I felt still able to detect this - amazed me. So I felt I had to put it out there, just to see if I was completely off in my assessment (and maybe learn a lesson if so) or not.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
It is no problem.

I do not know everything in the Bible. Still learning. As all Christians are. If I come across a contradiction I can't answer, so be it. I will just wait till I get the answer. No hurry.

Good-Ole-Rebel
There have been quite a few mentioned in this thread that believers had no answer for. Well except for some of them to admit that the Bible was wrong.

One cannot honestly deny that the Bible is rife with self contradictions.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Like most ancient peoples, the Hebrews believed
I am sure that "most people" could not care any less about what it is all about - just like now.

It is wrong to ever say "people believed" because you do not know what other people, especially dead people, believe.
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
You listed many thing you dislike about the God of the Bible in your previous post. If that is the way you view God, then you shouldn't come to Him.

As to the 'chaff and wheat' it is not for me to determine. One never knows when a person may come to Christ. All I can know at this time is whether one is a Christian or not. And that is hard enough.

Good-Ole-Rebel
I believe you are sincere, and so I apologize for implying you were being passive-aggressive in the previous post.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Literal interpretation allows for the use of metaphors, simile's, allegory, symbols, etc. Thus believers as sheep and Christ as the Shepherd is easily understood. Or Christ as the door, the entrance, is understood.

But not everything in the Bible is a metaphor. Thus the Bible is not interpreted metaphorically. It is interpreted normally, and when metaphor's are used, then use them. But, just because something is miraculous or spiritual, does not make it a metaphor.

And if such language is used, it is used to describe a literal truth.

Good-Ole-Rebel

"Literal" you know, literally does not
mean what you claim it does.

You are converting again!

lit·er·al
/ˈlidərəl,ˈlitrəl/
  1. 1.
    taking words in their usual or most basic sense without metaphor or allegory.
  2. 2.
    (of a translation) representing the exact words of the original text.
 

Good-Ole-Rebel

Well-Known Member
There have been quite a few mentioned in this thread that believers had no answer for. Well except for some of them to admit that the Bible was wrong.

One cannot honestly deny that the Bible is rife with self contradictions.

There is a lot in the Bible I have no answer for. Still learning. It doesn't mean the Bible is wrong. I just don't know.

Good-Ole-Rebel
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
There is a lot in the Bible I have no answer for. Still learning. It doesn't mean the Bible is wrong. I just don't know.

Good-Ole-Rebel
Then you cannot honestly claim that God is righteous. At best you need to add a qualifier every time because the Bible indicates God is far from righteous, if one interprets the Bible literally.
 
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