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Boris Johnson - let's see how he and his government performs....
- Thread starter Altfish
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Evidence Or delusion?
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
You mean the one for which the leave campaign used illegal military-grade tactics that border on the definition of "acts of war" and which was one gigantic stockpile of false facts, fake news and a deliberate policy of misinformation of the public?
Weird idea of democracy, that you have.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
I see you are firmly taken in by the propaganda.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
I'll go a step further.
A United States of Europe is a necessary concept.
People who think that their tiny puny isolated nation can stand alone against giants like China, Russia, India or the US are just delusional.
But hey, at least they'll have their "sovereignty"
I wonder what they'll say when it comes to a no-deal brexit with a hard border in Ireland after which violence erupts again and teh Good Friday agreements are torn up... and then the US tells them that they can't negotiate a trade deal with them because it is unconstitutional for the US to negotiate trade deals with countries that are engaged in a civil war or which are at risk for a civil war.
US parliament has already stated that there will be no trade deal if they even only smell the Good Friday agreements being in danger.
So, good luck England. Yes, England. Because after that, it won't be staying "united" for very long me thinks.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
You already live in a multi-cultural society. And I'm talking about Brittain, not about the EU at large.
You have mosques, islamic schools, pizzeria's, pita / kebap restaurants, hindu guru's, italian shops, greek shops, turkish shops, pakistani communities,......................................................
It's been like that for quite a while now.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
What you just said, is like putting a finger in an open wound.
Exactly.
All you hear about is how "terrible" the EU is. And many of these supposedly "terrible" things, are in fact straight up lies.
It's called propaganda.
People have NO IDEA how beneficial it is to be a member state. And not just in the UK.
Over here in Belgium, when I question people who are, let's say, "skeptical" about the EU... it turns out they know very very little about it as well.
One time there was this bloke ranting and ranting and ranting about one specific policy and how it totally demonstrated how evil the EU was. Don't even remember the specific policy and it's not relevant. What IS relevant, is that that policy..... was from a district government in Belgium. It wasn't even a national policy, let alone a EU one.
To be perfectly honest with you, I have never heared a coherent argument as to why a EU member would be better of leaving it which was not based in misinformation, fake news and / or just plain ignorance.
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It seems that the law passed: a no-deal Brexit is now illegal... at least until February.
No-deal Brexit officially blocked in law | Metro News
No-deal Brexit officially blocked in law | Metro News
Notanumber
A Free Man
The law is an a*s.
Altfish
Veteran Member
We've got our sovereignty back!
A page or two ago, you were all about respecting democracy. What changed?
Notanumber
A Free Man
Watching the downfall of democracy.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
That downfall being, a PM who's a muppet of extreme right wingers from the US like Steve Bannon and the Murdochs, who tries to shut down parliament so that they don't get a say in matters of lasting national importance, who then respond with emergency legislation to prevent that coup?
Notanumber
A Free Man
That downfall being, a PM who's a muppet of extreme right wingers from the US like Steve Bannon and the Murdochs, who tries to shut down parliament so that they don't get a say in matters of lasting national importance, who then respond with emergency legislation to prevent that coup?
The quisling Remoaners are the ones promoting a coup.
Boris is the true democrat that wishes to give his bosses a vote.
siti
Well-Known Member
Are you referring to Tories (even some of the grandest of Tory grandees mind you) growing balls and voting with their conscience? That was not the downfall of democracy, it was its revival...but one would not expect this development to be welcomed by the right - right? I'm proud of parliament this last few days - messy as it all was - it was elected representatives doing what they were elected for - drawing a line where they know that to cross it would be against national interest. I have no doubt that Boris Blunderbus will be spending the long recess figuring out ways to flout both the law and national interest - but as I have previously predicted, he is ultimately a dead duck - his days at Number 10 are numbered - and for that small mercy - amid the most depressing period in British politics of the last half century - I am thankful. All we need now (or rather after Brexit - assuming there is still a Brexit) is a credible opposition leader and Labour will be good to go for the second post-Brexit election - the first, of course will still be about Brexit and whoever wins that will have Brexit to thank - either way, at that point, a credible opposition leader is essential to ensure that Labour finally gets its act together in the post-Blair era and picks a genuine leader with the ability to bring the party in from its decade in the cold and take it forward in the 2020s with acuity of political vision.
What coup?
Notanumber
A Free Man
Boris will be a dead duck if he tries to bring back a watered down version of Mrs May’s surrender treaty.
Labour are already dead ducks or they would be able to fight the election that Boris has offered them.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
The "true democrat" that wasn't elected by the people, that doesn't have a proper democratic mandate, who doesn't even have the full support of his own party, who leads a government that doesn't even have a majority, who is shot down by parliament 6 times in a row and who belongs to the collection of friends who have engaged in militaristic psyOps to manipulate a democratic vote by illegal mass profiling used for targeted fake news on social media, based on illegally obtained datasets from insurance companies and facebook and which, even if they obtained it legally, would still be illegal as it is in violation with privacy laws.
And off course, who is caught lying at every turn.
Yeah. Sounds like a swell guy.
Notanumber
A Free Man
If he is so despicable, have a General Election and get rid of him.