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Why the Transfiguration is Not a Fulfillment of Matthew 16:28

Rational Agnostic

Well-Known Member
Matthew 16:28 states: "Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

Some Christians attempt to argue that this prophecy is fulfilled in Matthew 17, in the transfiguration story which states:

After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. 2 There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. 3 Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.

4 Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.”


5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!”


6 When the disciples heard this, they fell facedown to the ground, terrified. 7 But Jesus came and touched them. “Get up,” he said. “Don’t be afraid.” 8 When they looked up, they saw no one except Jesus.


9 As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, “Don’t tell anyone what you have seen, until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead.”


The problem with this is that the story clearly has nothing to do with Matthew 16:28, which states:

"Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man COMING in his kingdom."

The word COMING implies a return after a departure. Yet there is no return, and hence no "coming" alluded to anywhere in the transfiguration story. Jesus was already with the disciples and simply changed form, according to the verses, therefore he could not be "coming" from anywhere. It is strange to me that apologists even attempt to make Matthew 16:28 about the transfiguration, when clearly, it is a false prophecy about the return of Jesus.
 

susanblange

Active Member
Matthew 16:28 states: "Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

Some Christians attempt to argue that this prophecy is fulfilled in Matthew 17, in the transfiguration story which states:

After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. 2 There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. 3 Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.

4 Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.”


5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!”


6 When the disciples heard this, they fell facedown to the ground, terrified. 7 But Jesus came and touched them. “Get up,” he said. “Don’t be afraid.” 8 When they looked up, they saw no one except Jesus.


9 As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, “Don’t tell anyone what you have seen, until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead.”


The problem with this is that the story clearly has nothing to do with Matthew 16:28, which states:

"Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man COMING in his kingdom."

The word COMING implies a return after a departure. Yet there is no return, and hence no "coming" alluded to anywhere in the transfiguration story. Jesus was already with the disciples and simply changed form, according to the verses, therefore he could not be "coming" from anywhere. It is strange to me that apologists even attempt to make Matthew 16:28 about the transfiguration, when clearly, it is a false prophecy about the return of Jesus.
Christians twist the scriptures and have a convoluted understanding of them. They claim that "generation" means those on earth today. Matthew 16:28. "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom". In the Bible, a generation is forty years. This NT verse clearly states that the "second coming" would occur within forty years after Jesus' death. If Jesus is God, then God is dead.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Matthew 16:28 states: "Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."
Some Christians attempt to argue that this prophecy is fulfilled in Matthew 17, in the transfiguration story which states:
After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. 2 There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. 3 Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.
4 Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.”
5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!”
6 When the disciples heard this, they fell facedown to the ground, terrified. 7 But Jesus came and touched them. “Get up,” he said. “Don’t be afraid.” 8 When they looked up, they saw no one except Jesus.
9 As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, “Don’t tell anyone what you have seen, until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead.”

The problem with this is that the story clearly has nothing to do with Matthew 16:28, which states:
"Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man COMING in his kingdom."
The word COMING implies a return after a departure. Yet there is no return, and hence no "coming" alluded to anywhere in the transfiguration story. Jesus was already with the disciples and simply changed form, according to the verses, therefore he could not be "coming" from anywhere. It is strange to me that apologists even attempt to make Matthew 16:28 about the transfiguration, when clearly, it is a false prophecy about the return of Jesus.

Seems clear to me Matthew 17:9 is ignored that the transfiguration was a VISION and Not an actual happening.
The fulfillment comes at the soon coming ' time of separation ' on Earth as found at Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.
So, No the transfiguration VISION is Not a false prophecy but that Jesus' glory time is still ahead of us.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Christians twist the scriptures and have a convoluted understanding of them. They claim that "generation" means those on earth today. Matthew 16:28. "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom". In the Bible, a generation is forty years. This NT verse clearly states that the "second coming" would occur within forty years after Jesus' death. If Jesus is God, then God is dead.
Huh? there have been many generations since Jesus (Nowhere saying 40 years)
They did Not taste death by viewing the transfiguration VISION as per Matthew 17:9.
The VISION was a foregleam, a preview about the soon 'coming time of separation ' to take place on Earth.
Matthew 25:31-33 is about Jesus' coming glory time.
Revelation does Not apply to anyone in the first century because Revelation's setting is for our day - Revelation 1:10.
The generation that is alive on Earth at these last days of badness on Earth as mentioned at 2 Timothy 3:13; 1-5.
'Christendom' (fake/weed tares Christians) might twist, but the Bible is straight forward.
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Matthew 16:28 states: "Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

Some Christians attempt to argue that this prophecy is fulfilled in Matthew 17, in the transfiguration story which states:

After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. 2 There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. 3 Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.

4 Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.”


5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!”


6 When the disciples heard this, they fell facedown to the ground, terrified. 7 But Jesus came and touched them. “Get up,” he said. “Don’t be afraid.” 8 When they looked up, they saw no one except Jesus.


9 As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, “Don’t tell anyone what you have seen, until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead.”


The problem with this is that the story clearly has nothing to do with Matthew 16:28, which states:

"Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man COMING in his kingdom."

The word COMING implies a return after a departure. Yet there is no return, and hence no "coming" alluded to anywhere in the transfiguration story. Jesus was already with the disciples and simply changed form, according to the verses, therefore he could not be "coming" from anywhere. It is strange to me that apologists even attempt to make Matthew 16:28 about the transfiguration, when clearly, it is a false prophecy about the return of Jesus.
A good question and probably glossed over by most Christian teachings.

Jesus says Kingdom and after the Resurrection, that is when Jesus begins this rule of Jesus's Kingdom.

I basically interpret this to mean, the Rulership of Jesu, the start of that Specific Kingdom.
 

Jamie Pridgen

New Member
Matthew 16:28 states: "Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

Some Christians attempt to argue that this prophecy is fulfilled in Matthew 17, in the transfiguration story which states:

After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. 2 There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. 3 Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.

4 Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.”


5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!”


6 When the disciples heard this, they fell facedown to the ground, terrified. 7 But Jesus came and touched them. “Get up,” he said. “Don’t be afraid.” 8 When they looked up, they saw no one except Jesus.


9 As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, “Don’t tell anyone what you have seen, until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead.”


The problem with this is that the story clearly has nothing to do with Matthew 16:28, which states:

"Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man COMING in his kingdom."

The word COMING implies a return after a departure. Yet there is no return, and hence no "coming" alluded to anywhere in the transfiguration story. Jesus was already with the disciples and simply changed form, according to the verses, therefore he could not be "coming" from anywhere. It is strange to me that apologists even attempt to make Matthew 16:28 about the transfiguration, when clearly, it is a false prophecy about the return of Jesus.

I disagree, Peter later explained that the encounter on the mountain with Jesus was a vision of the future COMING of Christ.

2Pe 1:16-19 For we did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made known to you THE POWER AND COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, BUT WERE EYEWITNESSES OF HIS MAJESTY. (17) For He received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to Him from the Excellent Glory: "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." (Matt 17) (18) And we heard this voice which came from heaven WHEN WE WERE WITH HIM ON THE HOLY MOUNTIAN. (19) And so we have the prophetic word confirmed...

Paul said that the "prophetic word" which was confirmed by being "eyewitnessess" of the "POWER and COMING of the Lord" which happened when they were "ON THE HOLY MOUNTIAN" and heard the voice of God say "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased". Therefore, this event was a prophetic picture of the COMING of Christ and Matt 17 is a direct fulfillment of the end of Matt 16 according to Peter.
 
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Matthew 16:28 states: "Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

Some Christians attempt to argue that this prophecy is fulfilled in Matthew 17, in the transfiguration story which states:

After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. 2 There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. 3 Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.

4 Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.”


5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!”


6 When the disciples heard this, they fell facedown to the ground, terrified. 7 But Jesus came and touched them. “Get up,” he said. “Don’t be afraid.” 8 When they looked up, they saw no one except Jesus.


9 As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, “Don’t tell anyone what you have seen, until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead.”


The problem with this is that the story clearly has nothing to do with Matthew 16:28, which states:

"Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man COMING in his kingdom."

The word COMING implies a return after a departure. Yet there is no return, and hence no "coming" alluded to anywhere in the transfiguration story. Jesus was already with the disciples and simply changed form, according to the verses, therefore he could not be "coming" from anywhere. It is strange to me that apologists even attempt to make Matthew 16:28 about the transfiguration, when clearly, it is a false prophecy about the return of Jesus.

The transfiguration showed that Jesus had God’s approval, and it was a foreview of his future glory and Kingdom power. It also served to fortify Christ for his sufferings and death, while it also comforted his followers and strengthened their faith. The disciples saw, in effect, the “Son of man coming in his kingdom,” just as Jesus had promised a week earlier. (Matthew 16:28) After Jesus’ death, Peter wrote about having “…become eyewitnesses of his magnificence,… while we were with him in the holy mountain.” (2 Peter 1:16-18) It also indicates the future importance of the presence of Christ, when his kingly authority would be complete.
 

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Matthew 16:28 states: "Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

Some Christians attempt to argue that this prophecy is fulfilled in Matthew 17, in the transfiguration story which states:

After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. 2 There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. 3 Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.

4 Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.”


5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!”


6 When the disciples heard this, they fell facedown to the ground, terrified. 7 But Jesus came and touched them. “Get up,” he said. “Don’t be afraid.” 8 When they looked up, they saw no one except Jesus.


9 As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, “Don’t tell anyone what you have seen, until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead.”


The problem with this is that the story clearly has nothing to do with Matthew 16:28, which states:

"Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man COMING in his kingdom."

The word COMING implies a return after a departure. Yet there is no return, and hence no "coming" alluded to anywhere in the transfiguration story. Jesus was already with the disciples and simply changed form, according to the verses, therefore he could not be "coming" from anywhere. It is strange to me that apologists even attempt to make Matthew 16:28 about the transfiguration, when clearly, it is a false prophecy about the return of Jesus.
Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Son of Man is the concept of a military Christ, son of David/Abraham, that Jews believe will kill the enemies of the Jews so their religion will prevail.

"Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man COMING in his kingdom."
What Jesus is telling his followers is that some of them will die by the hand of the Jews that refuse to believe in a Son of God Christ as they murder to establish their expected kingdom on Earth in support of their idea of a Son of Man, son of David military Christ that kills people that refuse to support Jews. "To not taste death before" then just means this is how they will die, Jews are going to murder them for being Christians.
 
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