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Monotheism and Dualism

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
are monotheistic religions proponents of dualism; when explaining their god as separate from some part of it's being?
 

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
are monotheistic religions proponents of dualism; when explaining their god as separate from some part of it's being?

Depends on the monotheistic religion I think.

When it comes to Christianity, sure there is the belief in the Trinity, but what about when you start asking them questions like "Is the father more powerful than the Holy Spirit?"
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Depends on the monotheistic religion I think.

When it comes to Christianity, sure there is the belief in the Trinity, but what about when you start asking them questions like "Is the father more powerful than the Holy Spirit?"
the trinity is seen as a whole. the spirit of god isn't something separate from god; nor is the offspring.


when did god's manifestation in the earth make god less than god? that is the problem.

jesus said the father is greater than I. jesus didn't say god isn't god; when manifested.

the problem is that dualists believe god to be something other than self, or other as self. that is in opposition to exodus 3:14, colossians 3:11, john 10:30, john 14:20, john 14:2, and rev 21:3.



Gospel of Thomas:

(22) Jesus saw infants being suckled. He said to his disciples, "These infants being suckled are like those who enter the kingdom."
They said to him, "Shall we then, as children, enter the kingdom?"
Jesus said to them, "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter the kingdom."
 
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George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
are monotheistic religions proponents of dualism; when explaining their god as separate from some part of it's being?
Generally I would give a "yes' answer.

Dualism posits a duality of creator and creation. (as in Abrahamic religions). God and His creation are two things.

Non-dualism says the creator and creation are not-two as in Advaita Hindu philosophy. Hinduism also has dualist schools.
 

syo

Well-Known Member
christianity is dualistic. we have the God and seperately the creation.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
christianity is dualistic. we have the God and seperately the creation.
some versions, yes. all versions no.


and the twain shall never meet?



Am I a God from near, says the Lord, and not a God from afar? כגהַֽאֱלֹהֵ֧י מִקָּרֹ֛ב אָ֖נִי נְאֻם־יְהֹוָ֑ה וְלֹ֥א אֱלֹהֵ֖י מֵרָחֹֽק:
24Can a man hide in secret places that I should not see him? says the Lord. Do I not fill the heavens and the earth? says the Lord. כדאִם־יִסָּתֵ֨ר אִ֧ישׁ בַּמִּסְתָּרִ֛ים וַֽאֲנִ֥י לֹֽא־אֶרְאֶ֖נּוּ נְאֻם־יְהֹוָ֑ה הֲל֨וֹא אֶת־הַשָּׁמַ֧יִם וְאֶת־הָאָ֛רֶץ אֲנִ֥י מָלֵ֖א נְאֻם־יְהֹוָֽה:
 
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ajay0

Well-Known Member
Dharmic philosophy accounts for both monism/pantheism and monotheism existing together. You can say they complement each other.

Paramahamsa Yogananda states thus, "The word 'God' means the manifested, transcendental Being beyond creation, but existing in relation to creation. Spirit existed before God. God is the Creator of the universe, but Spirit is the Creator of God."


Spirit or Nirguna Brahman here is monistic or pantheistic while God or Saguna Brahman here is monotheistic.

Nirguna Brahman means Brahman without attributes while Saguna Brahman means Brahman with attributes.

In the yogic philosophy, the Shivalingam as Saguna Brahman is considered the first form to arise when creation occurs, and also the last form before the dissolution of creation.

The Shaivite scriptures and Swami Vivekananda considers the Shivalinga as representing a huge pillar of light.

Interestingly, as per the Dharmic monotheistic religious sect called the Prajapita Brahmakumaris, the form of the Shiva linga denotes God as a point of light, and who is known as Jehovah, Allah, Ahura Mazda in other religions. There is a possibility that the Shivalingam may be the same as the Orphic Egg in Greek religion.


Interesting correlation between God and light in major world religions...
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
the meet is Jesus/the Son.
isn't everything begotten of god, and everyone? or did isaiah mislead everyone?


וְאֵי־זֶ֥ה מָק֖וֹם מְנוּחָתִֽי׃

Thus said the LORD: The heaven is My throne And the earth is My footstool: Where could you build a house for Me, What place could serve as My abode?


וְאֶת־כָּל־אֵ֙לֶּה֙ יָדִ֣י עָשָׂ֔תָה וַיִּהְי֥וּ כָל־אֵ֖לֶּה נְאֻם־יְהוָ֑ה וְאֶל־זֶ֣ה אַבִּ֔יט אֶל־עָנִי֙ וּנְכֵה־ר֔וּחַ וְחָרֵ֖ד עַל־דְּבָרִֽי׃

All this was made by My hand, And thus it all came into being —declares the LORD. Yet to such a one I look: To the poor and brokenhearted, Who is concerned about My word.


שׁוֹחֵ֨ט הַשּׁ֜וֹר מַכֵּה־אִ֗ישׁ זוֹבֵ֤חַ הַשֶּׂה֙ עֹ֣רֵֽף כֶּ֔לֶב מַעֲלֵ֤ה מִנְחָה֙ דַּם־חֲזִ֔יר מַזְכִּ֥יר לְבֹנָ֖ה מְבָ֣רֵֽךְ אָ֑וֶן גַּם־הֵ֗מָּה בָּֽחֲרוּ֙ בְּדַרְכֵיהֶ֔ם וּבְשִׁקּוּצֵיהֶ֖ם נַפְשָׁ֥ם חָפֵֽצָה׃

As for those who slaughter oxen and slay humans, Who sacrifice sheep and immolate dogs, Who present as oblation the blood of swine, Who offer incense and worship false gods— Just as they have chosen their ways And take pleasure in their abominations,
 

syo

Well-Known Member
isn't everything begotten of god, and everyone?
yes. through the son who is part of God. God is a trinity. father did everything through the son. the son is the bridge between us and the father. so yes, God made us and he is connected to us.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
yes. through the son who is part of God. God is a trinity. father did everything through the son. the son is the bridge between us and the father. so yes, God made us and he is connected to us.


we are the sons of god. as a collective there is the son. even jesus said to pray, "Our Father".

הֲל֨וֹא אָ֤ב אֶחָד֙ לְכֻלָּ֔נוּ הֲל֛וֹא אֵ֥ל אֶֽחָ֖ד בְּרָאָ֑נוּ מַדּ֗וּעַ נִבְגַּד֙ אִ֣ישׁ בְּאָחִ֔יו לְחַלֵּ֖ל בְּרִ֥ית אֲבֹתֵֽינוּ׃

Have we not all one Father? Did not one God create us? Why do we break faith with one another, profaning the covenant of our ancestors?


if jesus had taken the name in vain, he would have claimed to be the exclusive and only son of the Father.


he quoted from psalm 82:6
 

syo

Well-Known Member
we are the sons of god. as a collective there is the son. even jesus said to pray, "Our Father".

הֲל֨וֹא אָ֤ב אֶחָד֙ לְכֻלָּ֔נוּ הֲל֛וֹא אֵ֥ל אֶֽחָ֖ד בְּרָאָ֑נוּ מַדּ֗וּעַ נִבְגַּד֙ אִ֣ישׁ בְּאָחִ֔יו לְחַלֵּ֖ל בְּרִ֥ית אֲבֹתֵֽינוּ׃

Have we not all one Father? Did not one God create us? Why do we break faith with one another, profaning the covenant of our ancestors?


if jesus had taken the name in vain, he would have claimed to be the exclusive and only son of the Father.


he quoted from psalm 82:6
Jesus is the Son-God.

We are the sons-creations.

And we all have the Father-God.
 
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