Desert Snake
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Practicing judaism now? You should really just stick with describing your own religion.
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Why did the world reject the Messiah when He Did come?
- Thread starter TransmutingSoul
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Does it? In ancient conflicts like Judaism versus Christianity, just who are the wolves?
When a faith splits into two groups, each group will happily refer to the other one as wolves. I don't see how time will sort all that out, although sometimes it does, as one group might disappear entirely.
One of my wife's aunts was a member of a liberal Christian Church here in Canada. The issue of homosexuality split it into two, and the more conservative anti-gay group walked out angrily, and formed their own church. That was 30 years ago. Now that church is defunct. It was largely a division of age groups, and since all the old anti-gay bigots have died, there was nobody left.
Sorry paarsurrey that does not make sense.
Allah gives the Covenants, People then partake of them and choose to break them.
Regards Tony
The wolves are those that accept the Message and then try to take power for themselves.
You get to make that choice, or not to.
Regards Tony
Spartan
Well-Known Member
No no...
Daniel chapter 9 has been considered Messianic by numerous rabbis of past times, and in Daniel 9 the Messiah is "cut off" (killed) and THEN "war continues until the end."
Also, in Isaiah 53 (also considered Messianic) the Messiah is killed for the sins of his people but later sees his spiritual seed (offspring).
In addition, you can't show me the scripture that says the Messiah has to accomplish everything in one lifetime. That's a belief by some, not a scriptural decree.
And in addition to that, there's only two places in the Old Testament that predict / prophesy the TIME of the coming of the Messiah. Both are Messianic. Both pinpoint the same time period - the 1st century when Jesus appeared as the Messiah. You can view them below.
1. Until Shilo Comes - Until Shiloh Comes
2. Daniel's Prophecy of the Messiah - DANIEL'S 70 WEEKS PROPHECY
Daniel is the most amazing prophecy, never before has a revelation been so accurately predicted. What is astounding, considering the Messiah was predicted with great expectation in the 1800's, was that William Miller was very very close, he did indeed get the year, but as the Bible said, the day and hour were not known.
The question is why did we miss the Messiah?
The Prophecy also brings together Revelation chapters 11 and 12 and shows how Muhammad and the Message of the Quran is also foretold. The key is the Date AD1844 which is also the year AH1260.
Thus we can now see how the Old Testament, the New Testament, the Quran, The Bayan and the Message of Baha'u'llah are consecutive revelations from God promised centuries ago.
Regards Tony
But that happens everywhere. It's the nature of the ego, and a necessary yet sad part of most committees. To call people wolves just because they had a personal insight into how things can be better is kind of a stretch?
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
There can be more than one messiah, [not saying there is,
There can be more than one yeshua, [one doesn't seem to be 'g-d'.
There can be more than one yeshua, [one doesn't seem to be 'g-d'.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Bahaullah did not claim in clear and unequivocal terms that G-d conversed with him and commanded to him take a new Covenant.
If yes, then please quote from "Kitab-i-Iqan"in this connection.
If not, then Bahaullah had no authority to bind others in a Covenant while himself not committing to it.
Bahaullah himself broke the previous Covenants by taking a new one. Right, please?
Regards
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Or there could be none at all.
Spartan
Well-Known Member
Israel also rebelled against God on numerous occasions, and killed its own prophets. It shouldn't be remarkable then that they would reject their own Messiah and believe he was nothing more than a mere human.
Dude, I'm not a Christian or a Jew. I don't care about some Jewish religious figure. Nothing to do with me or my religion. So you're wasting your time trying to argue about this with me. There's just a good reason that the majority of Jews rejected Jesus.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
"There's just a good reason that the majority of Jews rejected Jesus."
And what is that "good reason", please?
I understand that it was a bad/evil reason, not a good one, please. Right, please?
Regards
Because he didn't fulfill their prophecies, case closed. It was Christians who made up anti-Semitic reasons for the Jews rejecting Jesus, but it was lies.
Spartan
Well-Known Member
They don't have good reasons for rejecting Jesus. If you want to know why they don't, do your homework.
Here's some recommended reading for you that answers their baseless objections:
Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Guess again.
I'm not taking sides on this, but one's position largely boils down to how they interpret various verses that many believe are messianic in nature.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Which rabbi?
firedragon
Veteran Member
There were many people who were claiming to be a messiah brother. Most of them caught and killed by the romans for sedition. Jesus is one of them, but of course through the years, the most successful due to whatever reason.
However, the Jews of course rejected him because their vision of the Messiah was very different to the life of Jesus (or rather the death).
Ah, but I am commenting late here and I'm sure everyone knows this of course.