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Terrywoodenpic said:

We have never been subject to any rulings by French courts.

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No, but I like to be fair. Maybe there really IS some super nefarious downside of remaining in the EU, although, given the inability of the OP to come up with anything more pressing than "the ruling that gave inmates the right to vote concerning proprietary matters in prison" I rather doubt it.

From WIKI

The European Court of Justice (ECJ), officially just the Court of Justice (French: Cour de Justice), is the supreme court of the European Union in matters of European Union law. As a part of the Court of Justice of the European Union it is tasked with interpreting EU law and ensuring its equal application across all EU member states.[1]

The Court was established in 1952 and is based in Luxembourg. It is composed of one judge per member state – currently 28 – although it normally hears cases in panels of three, five or 15[2] judges. The court has been led by president Koen Lenaerts since 2015.[1]

The European court of human rights is not a body of the EU, we will remain a member of the Court, when or if we leave the EU.
It was this court that was involved in adjudication on prisoners voting rights. it had nothing to do with the EU, or the European court of justice.


The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR or ECtHR; French: Cour européenne des droits de l’homme) is a supranational or international court established by the European Convention on Human Rights. The court hears applications alleging that a contracting state has breached one or more of the human rights provisions concerning civil and political rights set out in the Convention and its protocols.

An application can be lodged by an individual, a group of individuals, or one or more of the other contracting states. Aside from judgments, the Court can also issue advisory opinions. The Convention was adopted within the context of the Council of Europe, and all of its 47 member states are contracting parties to the Convention. The Court is based in Strasbourg, France.

Altfish said:

We need proportional representation, like the EU have, they are fair elections.

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Fair elections for a body that has very limited powers compared to the unelected Commission and Council.


(and we could differentiate between fair election methods and fair elections)

Augustus said:

Fair elections for a body that has very limited powers compared to the unelected Commission and Council.


(and we could differentiate between fair election methods and fair elections)

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The Commission and the Council are similar to our Civil Servants - acting on the instructions of MPs

Altfish said:

The Commission and the Council are similar to our Civil Servants - acting on the instructions of MPs

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No idea where you got that from, but they don't remotely resemble civil servants. In many ways they are above the MEPs

The council is mostly the European leaders/heads of government, and the commission is an independent executive body that proposes legislation, etc.

Terrywoodenpic said:

We have never been subject to any rulings by French courts.

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What I meant was EU courts.

Bob Jones said:

What I meant was EU courts.

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That should be in the singular. The only EU court we are subject to, is the European Court of Justice in which we play an equal part in the decisions. No country appoints more than one Judge. It is required to apply it's judgements equally to every country.

All cases pass through national courts first.

Terrywoodenpic said:

That should be in the singular. The only EU court we are subject to, is the European Court of Justice in which we play an equal part in the decisions. No country appoints more than one Judge. It is required to apply it's judgements equally to every country.

All cases pass through national courts first.

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Are you putting facts in the indignant whaaargaaarbl again?

Notanumber said:

What about France and the Yellow Vests?

The French economy has been underperforming for years. Unemployment, especially among the young, has been chronically high.

Macron has put himself forward as the saviour of the European project, which he claims is facing collapse unless he leads it into the next stage of integration – what he calls a ‘sovereign Europe’, ultimately in charge of finances, taxation, welfare, labour law and immigration.

Where will France and the EU go from here? The future is unpredictable, and it is not very bright.

When people feel they are no longer heard by the elites, protest becomes more vehement. We see it in various forms from Spain to Hungary. In France, it leads to burning cars and looted shops. In Britain, it leads to Brexit. France has once again provided us with a dramatic spectacle of what can happen when a political system implodes.

In Britain, too, we need to heed the warning. If people feel those in power despise them, sooner or later they react.

ROBERT TOMBS on how the French protests are a warning to Europe | Daily Mail Online

Is Spain any better?

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Dude...................................................

The yellow vests movement in France has nothing whatsoever to do with the EU and everything with France's internal affairs.

ratiocinator said:

Have you thought of any actual, real life, practical reasons why being in the EU is so bad you want to risk all the potential damage to our country to get rid of it, yet?

Real people's jobs and possibly their health, the peace in NI, and the existence of the UK itself are on the line - why is it worth it?

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Looks like @Notanumber is absolutely determined not to answer your reasonable question.

TagliatelliMonster said:

Looks like @Notanumber is absolutely determined not to answer your reasonable question.

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He is not paid to give answers, so what do you expect.

Dr. Steve is sending us the new Letter from America.



How many in the UK are still swallowing the pro-EU spin?

Notanumber said:

How many in the UK are still swallowing the pro-EU spin?

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At least 48% and probably a lot more.
We are still waiting the anti-Europe side to list the benefits...
1. Blue Passports
2 ???
3 ???

Notanumber said:

How many in the UK are still swallowing the pro-EU spin?

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I'll ask yet again: have you thought of any actual, real life, practical reasons why being in the EU is so bad you want to risk all the potential damage to our country to get rid of it, yet?

Real people's jobs and possibly their health, the peace in NI, and the existence of the UK itself are on the line - why is it worth it?

Bob Jones said:

There is no doubt about.Brexit is dead!

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There's no way back now,the EU would have us by the balls,my guess we will leave with some kind of deal.

England my lionheart said:

There's no way back now,the EU would have us by the balls,my guess we will leave with some kind of deal.

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I suspect we will get a deal, worse than the one May agreed, and Boris will hail it as a great victory and the minions will all rejoice and vote him in again.
Sad really

England my lionheart said:

There's no way back now,the EU would have us by the balls,my guess we will leave with some kind of deal.

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The EU is not the enemy unless we make them so. If we were to leave without a deal and refuse to pay what we owe, then they (and the US) will have us by the balls, because we need trade deals.

ratiocinator said:

The EU is not the enemy unless we make them so. If we were to leave without a deal and refuse to pay what we owe, then they (and the US) will have us by the balls, because we need trade deals.

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The trouble is that modern Popularist Movements exist only based on having enemies.
In America it is the Mexicans and other border crossers
In the UK it is the EU and immigrants
Everywhere, and especially in the Info Wars mind (They started it) it is George Soros

You must have enemies to get elected nowadays - very sad really

England my lionheart said:

There's no way back now,the EU would have us by the balls,my guess we will leave with some kind of deal.

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Myeah, I thought about that as well...

Imagine for some reason a new referendum with 3 options:
- leave, but only with a deal
- leave, deal or no deal
- remain

Suppose there's suddenly an overwhelming majority voting for remain and the whole thing is called off....

European UK politicians would almost be forced to apologize for the entire thing. I wouldn't want to be one of them, entering EU parliament for a session. I'ld be so embarassed.... I feel like UK would have lost all credibility. It would be humiliating beyond belief and it would be used against them, directly or indirectly, for years to come.

Even if everyone is being respectful about it and simply never bring it up... it would be hanging there in the air, casting a shadow over everybody. It's almost inevitable that it would create at the very least a very strange atmosphere ...


Nevertheless, I would still consider it the prefered outcome. I'ld just hope that everyone could be mature about it and simply forget it happened. But we all know that chances are rather low that politicians could be mature about that.

I disagree it's past a point of no return. As long as no divorce papers are signed, there's always a way back.
But yea, sure... circumstances would be less then ideal.

It is what it is.

Cameron gambled and messed up. There's not much more to say then that...