Why did the world reject the Messiah when He Did come?

He hasn't come. It's a good thing that the world, especially Jews, rejects false messiahs.

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:

I am my own hell/Satan.....I would scare the pants off another Satan, if there was another one and he/she came this way

Regards Tony

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Sure.......
I use the word 'hell' as an oath, usually after busting something or banging a finger, etc......... but the place as written in to Christian mythology is just that, a myth.

And Satan as described by Christians is myth as well.

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:

It exists as our own thoughts and choices over the choices God gives us.

I see there is no independent source of evil, it is but lack of good. We can see it in the metaphor that darkness is just lack of light.

Regards Tony

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God incarnated as Jesus Christ and he confirmed the existence of Hell and evil.

IndigoChild5559 said:

He hasn't come. It's a good thing that the world, especially Jews, rejects false messiahs.

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Israel also rebelled against God numerous times with devastating judgments that followed, and they also rejected and killed their own prophets. Why should anyone think they will initially well receive their own Messiah?

In fact, the sacking of Jerusalem in 70 AD by the Romans was due in part for their rejection of Christ, who was God incarnate.

From Luke chapter 19:

"For the days are coming upon you when your enemies will raise a palisade against you; they will encircle you and hem you in on all sides. They will smash you to the ground and your children within you, and they will not leave one stone upon another because you did not recognize the time of your visitation.”

Spartan said:

Israel also rebelled against God numerous times with devastating judgments that followed, and they also rejected and killed their own prophets. Why should anyone think they will initially well receive their own Messiah?

In fact, the sacking of Jerusalem in 70 AD by the Romans was due in part for their rejection of Christ, who was God incarnate.

From Luke chapter 19:

"For the days are coming upon you when your enemies will raise a palisade against you; they will encircle you and hem you in on all sides. They will smash you to the ground and your children within you, and they will not leave one stone upon another because you did not recognize the time of your visitation.”

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Or....

The sacking of Jerusalem was the result of too many Jews accepting Jesus of Nazareth who was a false pretender to the mantle of the moshiach.

Shaul said:

Or....

The sacking of Jerusalem was the result of too many Jews accepting Jesus of Nazareth who was a false pretender to the mantle of the moshiach.

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Nope. Besides what I posted from Luke 19, Jesus also laid out the corruption of the Pharisees in Matthew 23:

“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites. You pay tithes of mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier things of the law: judgment and mercy and fidelity. [But] these you should have done, without neglecting the others. Blind guides, who strain out the gnat and swallow the camel!"

“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites. You cleanse the outside of cup and dish, but inside they are full of plunder and self-indulgence. “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites. You are like whitewashed tombs, which appear beautiful on the outside, but inside are full of dead men’s bones and every kind of filth.m Even so, on the outside you appear righteous, but inside you are filled with hypocrisy and evildoing."

“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees,* you hypocrites. You build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the memorials of the righteous,n and you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have joined them in shedding the prophets’ blood.’ Thus you bear witness against yourselves that you are the children of those who murdered the prophets; You serpents, you brood of vipers, how can you flee from the judgment of Gehenna?* Therefore, behold, I send to you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and pursue from town to town, so that there may come upon you all the righteous blood shed upon earth, from the righteous blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. Amen, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation." - Jesus

Spartan said:

Nope. Besides what I posted from Luke 19, Jesus also laid out the corruption of the Pharisees in Matthew 23:

“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites. You pay tithes of mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier things of the law: judgment and mercy and fidelity. [But] these you should have done, without neglecting the others. Blind guides, who strain out the gnat and swallow the camel!"

“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites. You cleanse the outside of cup and dish, but inside they are full of plunder and self-indulgence. “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites. You are like whitewashed tombs, which appear beautiful on the outside, but inside are full of dead men’s bones and every kind of filth.m Even so, on the outside you appear righteous, but inside you are filled with hypocrisy and evildoing."

“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees,* you hypocrites. You build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the memorials of the righteous,n and you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have joined them in shedding the prophets’ blood.’ Thus you bear witness against yourselves that you are the children of those who murdered the prophets; You serpents, you brood of vipers, how can you flee from the judgment of Gehenna?* Therefore, behold, I send to you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and pursue from town to town, so that there may come upon you all the righteous blood shed upon earth, from the righteous blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. Amen, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation." - Jesus

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1) Who cares what Luke says? It isn’t scripture.

2) Jesus of Nazareth was also from the Pharisee branch of Judaism.

3) Any purported “sins” of the Pharisees would not cause the destruction of the Temple for all of Israel. G-d doesn’t punish anyone for the sins of another. See Jeremiah chapter 31.

4) According to the Hebrew Scriptures Israel will suffering not only because of its sins, for which it has already paid, but also for no cause whatsoever. The nations (that’s you) will, and do now, claim that Israel is suffering because it has “sinned”. But scripture writes that in the end times G-d will reveal that was not true. That Israel was “sold” for nothing. That Israel paid double. Then G-d will restore Israel and require from the nations for persecuting Israel without cause.

In the future, when G-d reveals the true moshiach, and it is not Jesus of Nazareth, the scales will fall from the eyes of Christians. They will realize that the Jews had it right all along in rejecting the claim that Jesus of Nazareth as the moshiach. “This is what the LORD Almighty says: “In those days ten people from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, 'Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you.'"” Zechariah 8:23

IndigoChild5559 said:

He hasn't come. It's a good thing that the world, especially Jews, rejects false messiahs.

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Since there are false messiahs, what are some of the things that the true messiah will do? Plus, how many messiahs do Jews expect? Because the Baha'is not only claim Baha'u'llah as a messiah, but also The Bab, Muhammad, and Jesus.

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:

Did they not recognize Him as earlier prophesied in the Old and the New Testament an in all past scriptures?

Baha'is see that it has happened, but not as people have expected.

Maybe that humanity as a whole will now finally understand as to how a Messenger of God, is always rejected?

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Good question. Yeah. The good ones tend to be rejected. Just thought about it the other day considering the state of Christianity in USA today. I don't think they would accept Jesus of the New Testament at all. Preaching all that hoodlum about loving and caring for your neighbor, children, poor, homeless, starving, and enemies, and don't get involved in politics. But here we are.

Spartan said:

God incarnated as Jesus Christ and he confirmed the existence of Hell and evil.

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I see the Bible confirms that God created light and darkness is also a result.

I see Heaven as light and all else that is lack of that light has been given names such as hell, evil etc.

The Devil or Satan then becomes our own choices.The Metephor of Jesus going givenin Mathew 4:1-11 shows that battle of self.

Regards Tony

oldbadger said:

Sure.......
I use the word 'hell' as an oath, usually after busting something or banging a finger, etc......... but the place as written in to Christian mythology is just that, a myth.

And Satan as described by Christians is myth as well.

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I see it is a lot simpler. Live virtues, you live the light. Choose not to and you live in darkness. I see we are at the end of darkness, with the potential of the light within us all.

That to me is the born again option.

That to me is the Bible guidance in a nutshell.

Regards Tony

loverofhumanity said:

From ourselves!

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You're that bad? Maybe consider turning yourself into authorities? Personally I don't believe in the "I'm a sinner!" idea.

Shaul said:

1) Who cares what Luke says? It isn’t scripture.

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Bull.

Shaul said:

2) Jesus of Nazareth was also from the Pharisee branch of Judaism.

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Scriptures?

Shaul said:

3) Any purported “sins” of the Pharisees would not cause the destruction of the Temple for all of Israel. G-d doesn’t punish anyone for the sins of another. See Jeremiah chapter 31.

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Strawman. Never claimed just the sins of the pharisees would cause the destruction of the Temple for all of Israel. The Jews rejected their Messiah.

Shaul said:

. 4) According to the Hebrew Scriptures Israel will suffering not only because of its sins, for which it has already paid, but also for no cause whatsoever. The nations (that’s you) will, and do now, claim that Israel is suffering because it has “sinned”. But scripture writes that in the end times G-d will reveal that was not true. That Israel was “sold” for nothing. That Israel paid double. Then G-d will restore Israel and require from the nations for persecuting Israel without cause.

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Deuteronomy chapter 28 lays out the judgments for sins and rebellion against God, as well as blessings. If Israel was "good" at the time of Christ it wouldn't have been destroyed.

Shaul said:

cause the destruction of the Temple for all of Israel. In the future, when G-d reveals the true moshiach, and it is not Jesus of Nazareth, the scales will fall from the eyes of Christians. They will realize that the Jews had it right all along in rejecting the claim that Jesus of Nazareth as the moshiach. “This is what the LORD Almighty says: “In those days ten people from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, 'Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you.'"” Zechariah 8:23

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Jesus is the Messiah. Sorry you missed him.

Shaul said:

1) Who cares what Luke says? It isn’t scripture.

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So you think that not every book in the bible is classed as scripture?
And you ask who cares about Luke? He has got quoted a lot over two thousand years, you know.

2) Jesus of Nazareth was also from the Pharisee branch of Judaism.

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Where did you get that? Yeshua BarYosef was a Galilean peasant who campaigned against a corrupted and greedy Temple system and the Priesthood. Many Pharisees didn't belong in that system.

3) Any purported “sins” of the Pharisees would not cause the destruction of the Temple for all of Israel. G-d doesn’t punish anyone for the sins of another. See Jeremiah chapter 31.

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Again..... You need to focus on the Temple and the Priesthood ...... Many Pharisees were of neither.

4) According to the Hebrew Scriptures Israel will suffering not only because of its sins, for which it has already paid, but also for no cause whatsoever. The nations (that’s you) will, and do now, claim that Israel is suffering because it has “sinned”. But scripture writes that in the end times G-d will reveal that was not true. That Israel was “sold” for nothing. That Israel paid double. Then G-d will restore Israel and require from the nations for persecuting Israel without cause.

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That really does look like megalomania. Really.

In the future, when G-d reveals the true moshiach, and it is not Jesus of Nazareth, the scales will fall from the eyes of Christians. They will realize that the Jews had it right all along in rejecting the claim that Jesus of Nazareth as the moshiach. “This is what the LORD Almighty says: “In those days ten people from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, 'Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you.'"” Zechariah 8:23

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By the time that happens, if ever, there will not be that many Christians left. Their numbers are falling away quite fast, I think.

Vinayaka said:

You're that bad? Maybe consider turning yourself into authorities? Personally I don't believe in the "I'm a sinner!" idea.

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Well I was half right. Not only protect us from our own ignorance but from the harm of the mischief maker also.

“That which beseemeth man is submission unto such restraints as will protect him from his own ignorance, and guard him against the harm of the mischief-maker.”


Bahá’u’lláh

If there was a messiah, and he was an immortal earth king who would heal us and guide us for as long as we were here, what would people make of it? Would it be fantastic? Such a king could rule the nations, and emit enough wisdom to fill a book a week, and cure the diseased by the dozen. No one would starve, he would fill every basket with bread daily, and every holiday flask with wine

Spartan said:

God incarnated as Jesus Christ and he confirmed the existence of Hell and evil.

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Not exactly.

loverofhumanity said:

Well I was half right. Not only protect us from our own ignorance but from the harm of the mischief maker also.

“That which beseemeth man is submission unto such restraints as will protect him from his own ignorance, and guard him against the harm of the mischief-maker.”


Bahá’u’lláh

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Who is the mischief-maker?

Vinayaka said:

Who is the mischief-maker?

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It could be any one

loverofhumanity said:

It could be any one

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So basically be on the guard for all people besides yourself? That seems a little paranoid.