What practices between faiths cannot coexist?

MikeDwight · Sep 5, 2019

I've talked a lot about exactly how we should not distance public display of religion, like French Liacite. The US 1st amendment is about religious expression like freedom of speech in public practice.

What are beliefs between religions that do not become syncretic under any circumstances? What beliefs never merge in other words, and are never compatible, but are asserted in opposing directions in the major religions?

Christian marriage vs the other marriage types are obvious. Christ advocated a lifelong marriage that cannot be broken. Jews could easily write divorces. Muslims can set aside concubines, 2nd and even 1st wives. correct me there where I'm wrong? These religions do not intermarry for the varied understanding of different arrangements. Eastern religions all allow men to marry multiple women or have concubines in different circumstances, its much more humanist over there though in practice. Correct me if I'm wrong?

They of course have different holidays but that's all private practice except catholic celebrations and muslim calls to prayer. How do we unite society with the variety in religion in the way the French draw away from trying to do?

The philosophy forum is not the obvious impact we should think of religion. Its our daily lives. Think of Muslims and aggressiveness with women that are viewed as improper, knightly behavior should protect the weak.

Muslims have rules within Islam to not treat the Christian coworker the same as other coworkers? That's hard to ignore since islam later comments on those of the older faiths?

Will 3 prayers a day for Muslims become Reasonable Acommodation for employers that does Not harm their productivity? Anyone? I've never seen that.

The practices between the faiths given full intellectual and involved discussion but will not merge in an intellectual way, are asked about. Forget 3 prayers, that's not a Contradiction, more like how people would be married, or like the selective Protestant Marriages not marrying Catholics.

Technically Catholicism protects one language, latin, and the Quran protects one language, Arabic, which is a serious contradiction. In our focused secular work, there's different Confucian views of a leader.

Lets forget any sort of prayer or mosque time or church time and things that basically are preferencing social groups. Muslims do not want any single men seen with any women whatsoever. McDonald's full of atheists, upstanding atheists we'll imagine, dofind the marketing capitalist need for a Single Men's section and a Family section in dining areas.

MikeDwight · Sep 5, 2019

The East Asian hypocrisy. East Asian contributes to community, spoils all those around, directly, monetarily, charity. East Asian takes words you've never said about assuming their family is poor when money goes their way from your family, or to their church, and that you're hitting on women when the same thing happens they do. What are we doing anyway? Military occupying asia to destroy their races with money no one trusts? I'm just guessing.
Remembers for a year their own opinions about feeling slighted when there never was absolutely any way forward at any time. Apology is pointless, they want to argue and find fault and judge.
I have no idea. How would we avoid and create better outcomes professionally and in professional communication?

Valjean · Sep 5, 2019

I notice you're Presbyterian. I don't think TULIP is compatible with Catholicism,or with most non-Calvinist, Protestant denominations.

Ellen Brown · Sep 6, 2019

I'm good. I don't care what someone else believes as long as they don't think they are superior. Then it is on.

MikeDwight · Sep 6, 2019

In a way, HISTORICALLY SPEAKING, don't think of going and blowing up a PCUSA lesbian wedding, we got the same problems as the HISTORICAL Muslim. The Reformed Westminster Confession says that the Catholic Pope is The Very Antichrist of Revelation. This is a real and strong belief, a rabblerousing belief, since the time of a rabble-rouser, John Knox. Since it is written some decades after the Saint Bartholomew Massacre in France and the general break-up and persecution of being a Reformed Huguenot in France, we'll never know if the two notions are separable, The Westminster Confession says that Marrying any heretic, idolater, Popish, person, is like yoking two different animals. Very popular scriptural language, about getting two animals to push a farming plow, if they are not the same animal, the burden goes on one animal's shoulders on the yoke's plank, or whatever.

Pastek · Sep 7, 2019

MikeDwight said:
Christian marriage vs the other marriage types are obvious. Christ advocated a lifelong marriage that cannot be broken. Jews could easily write divorces.

What did Jesus say exactly ?

MikeDwight said:
Muslims can set aside concubines, 2nd and even 1st wives. correct me there where I'm wrong?

Wives not concubines.
And no, they are not supposed to set aside their wives. They are not mistresses, they are a family.

MikeDwight said:
They of course have different holidays but that's all private practice except catholic celebrations and muslim calls to prayer. How do we unite society with the variety in religion in the way the French draw away from trying to do?

French people are into "assimilation". They don't like to see for exemple people wearing a cross in public services (school, hospitals etc)
They even debated few years ago about the Christmas crib, if it's should be removed from city halls, schools, public places : Crèche de Noël: la polémique

Also few years ago there was a polemic about some jews students who shifted the exams because of religious reasons : Les concours aménagés pour des étudiants juifs, «ça n'a rien de nouveau»

Recently some muslim women protested because they wanted to be able to swim in burkini.
It's ok to have nudist beachs but not ok to let some women wearing a burkini.

This is the principle of assimilation by french people.

MikeDwight said:
Think of Muslims and aggressiveness with women that are viewed as improper, knightly behavior should protect the weak.

Improper ?

MikeDwight said:
Muslims have rules within Islam to not treat the Christian coworker the same as other coworkers? That's hard to ignore since islam later comments on those of the older faiths?

Excuse-me ?
You should stop spreading false information about muslims.

MikeDwight said:
Will 3 prayers a day for Muslims become Reasonable Acommodation for employers that does Not harm their productivity? Anyone? I've never seen that.

In case you don't know, when we miss a prayer we do it at home.That's what majority of people do.
In western societies it's rare to see acommodation for muslims or even for other religions.
And even in muslim countries there's not always acommodations for prayer.

MikeDwight said:
Technically Catholicism protects one language, latin, and the Quran protects one language, Arabic, which is a serious contradiction. In our focused secular work, there's different Confucian views of a leader.

Hein ?

MikeDwight · Sep 7, 2019

Matthew 19 - NIV Bible - When Jesus had finished saying these things, he...

The Very Churches that believe Catholics have gone too far with Popery, Romanism, Italian banditry, and Mariology. And, the Very Churches that have explained democratization of the priesthood and decrees, that have declared Scripture alone and by Grace alone, are the worst sinners of reading, what they newly and fervently proclaim, our only Lord and God above any preservation of Saints, our Lord Jesus Christ.
From Matthew 19:3 and on is the only definitive Meaning of the word "marriage" , extrapolated 100 times by the apostles in Romans, or Acts, or elsewhere.

In the Beginning God did create one man and one woman to Live as Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. He explains never shall they part. He explains this one man and one woman, as long as they shall live, will not commit adultery by divorce.

Oh great, I'm not very easy on these cultures promoting themselves out of "concubinage". I don't go with that easily. I'm sure some 60's liberal has granted it in the first place for integration purposes. The Muslims in the Middle of the Muslim Kingdom say, well, you can produce your children More Efficiently than Christianity by keeping harems, having harems that can be dismissed after a time, and to be allowed up to 4 'wives' is a little better.

Thank you for the further explanation about France, that's what I'm talking about ways to integrate religions with free expression is Our government, anyway. I am always viewing college students anyway with head shawls, you know, the muslim one. Nice people, I wouldn't know what to do for them anyway.

Ya well Muslims without acts, will you know, gang assault any women that aren't following all these strict rules. There have been Al Qaeda fatwahs to make goats wear diapers, and tomatos and cucumbers can't be sold next to each other in vegetable stands. Because anyone dressed like a European CAN be expected to be sexually assaulted, Muslims Proclaim and Win at getting their own Muslim jurisdiction law courts in Europe.

Pastek · Sep 7, 2019

MikeDwight said:
Ya well Muslims without acts, will you know, gang assault any women that aren't following all these strict rules. There have been Al Qaeda fatwahs to make goats wear diapers, and tomatos and cucumbers can't be sold next to each other in vegetable stands. Because anyone dressed like a European CAN be expected to be sexually assaulted, Muslims Proclaim and Win at getting their own Muslim jurisdiction law courts in Europe.

Yes Al Qaeda, those who blow themselves while suicide is forbidden in Islam ?
I didn't know that extremists represented all the muslims. Like you know KKK ...

syo · Sep 7, 2019

MikeDwight said:
What are beliefs between religions that do not become syncretic under any circumstances? What beliefs never merge in other words, and are never compatible, but are asserted in opposing directions in the major religions?

religious intolerance.

MikeDwight · Sep 7, 2019

syo said:
religious intolerance.

That's simply immature. Cut it out. Probably never had anyone in a religion demand anything from you in your life. Is it a code of responsibility, morals, and ethics, of accountability in which differing codes need to be reconciled in a lawful way, I believe so, most people thinking on it would.

Posting Religious Intolerance, that's as simple as a nonbelieving soccer fan with a soccer club making the English Defense League a proud atheist organization or something.

pearl · Sep 7, 2019

MikeDwight

Do you belong to a Presbyterian church, and if so, which? Just curious as to where you are coming from. Are you familiar with any of these?

The United Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), the Presbyterian Church (U.S.), the Reformed Church in America, and the United Church of Christ, the Cumberland Presbyterian Church.

MikeDwight · Sep 7, 2019

I've attended or studied all of them. Whats Your Point? Probably something dismissive. You know the reason there are ideological divisions of a Presbyterian single Catholic orthodox Communion, is by Presidential order , executive order of President Eisenhower as a planned goal, as coming into office on his third day, creating the United Presbyterian Church in the United States in 1958, not a single "ideological" division was spare in joining, this order, in obscuring the Geographical Churches of the Othodox Catholic Communion of Churches.

MikeDwight · Sep 7, 2019

Just consider the Orthodox Churches of the Greeks usually the Church of the Byzantine Emperor overseeing the early Creeds, the Nicene Creed, Apostle's Creed, and Chalcedonian Creeds that the Westminster Confession also echoes these Creeds in many things like continued excommunications of Nestorians, Arians, and Monosyphites. So these Democratic Creeds had the Patriarchs or Heads of Bulgaria, Greece, Anatolia, Armenia, and they hoped Egypt and other countries, to meet and make these creeds with the Emperor, which they did. Many broke off the Byzantine Empire to follow Europe's form, while Russia was already separate from the Byzantine Empire. Obviously the situation of the British Empire itself often pushed for a single Religion-National level from two sides, perhaps the Archbishop of Anglicanism would represent the whole Empire, while Scotland is more than Equitable that an Orthodox model of Patriarchs is necessary, a Church of Scotland and England, as well as many places that did join or leave the British Empire. Never after the English Act of Supremacy would Religion itself, in British Empire, be allowed to excommunicate governments, or rulers, or be a Priestly class separate and its own, when the Queen then chooses a public 'office holder' in the archbishop.

MikeDwight · Sep 7, 2019

Well I'm sorry. More on topic, and on about what we're talking about. Maybe the 1st Amendment itself is about the equality of the Presbyterian Church. There is only an organized Anglican and Presbyterian Church in early America. The British Empire favored Anglican subscribed high offices. President Andrew Jackson becomes a favorite Presbyterian as a Presbyterian. I'm sure its more broad than that as well. Methodists and Baptists, other movements arrived from Europe, in an evangelical, proselytizing, context of the freedom of our 1st Amendment. It is totally selfish, from my viewpoint on this thread, to Totally, Totally replace the religion of the God of the Fathers of a nation, with the Baptists, and the Methodists, a ratio is maybe 10 to 1 by this day and age, and not say we all have No plans at All to introduce the Muslims, and the New Age movement? The Muslim student is charming, maybe not the single male. 1/3rd of the signing of Declaration of Independence is Presbyterian, Scottish or maybe converted Puritans or others? We totally switched around making heritage-respecting African American churches in the millions, in the 1920s, the extremely dominant PCUSA is Now Preaching that there is only Convenience in any Nationality Within the congregations that are the PCUSA. Directors of the PCUSA are looking to only make one congregation service. I can't imagine who it is looks up from that congregation and approves of their leadership when transparent.

MikeDwight · Sep 7, 2019

If there were 80 million Reformed Christians in Communion, originally Switzerland, Scotland, Netherlands, England, Hungary. Maybe 14 million are the subdenomination that needed to get rid of Bishops for maintenance of the religion, known as Presbyterians. The King of Korea himself fought a Catholic Bishop from China, this can be a bad system for national maintenance.
Presbyterianism in South Korea - Wikipedia
Well then the Presbyterian Church of South Korea is with out racism our 2/3rds concern in Presbyterianism with 9 million members perhaps. I noticed at the inauguration of Lee Myung Bak.

syo · Sep 8, 2019

MikeDwight said:
That's simply immature. Cut it out. Probably never had anyone in a religion demand anything from you in your life. Is it a code of responsibility, morals, and ethics, of accountability in which differing codes need to be reconciled in a lawful way, I believe so, most people thinking on it would.

Posting Religious Intolerance, that's as simple as a nonbelieving soccer fan with a soccer club making the English Defense League a proud atheist organization or something.

What I mean about ''religious intolerance'' is that maybe one religion is intolerant of other religions and doesn't want syncretism.

Valjean · Sep 8, 2019

As I said in post #3, Presbyterians are Calvinists. They believe in predestination. One's fate, Heaven or Hell, is determined before you're even born, and nothing you can do in this life can affect this.
I think this is fundamentally different from most Christian denominations.

Dualist vs non-dualist: Many philosophical Hindus, particularly certain Vedantists, believe that any difference between humans, gods, rocks and ants is illusory; that any perception of 'things' as separate from oneself is a hallucination.
So theological Hindus are philosophical idealists, while Abrahamics are Philosophical realists.

Vedantists believe our perception of reality is a dream; that nothing is non-self, and the goal in life is to wake up.
Abrahamics believe our perception of a diverse reality is correct; that our selves and consciousness will always be as it is currently, that the only possible future change is one of venue, and that the goal of life is to acquire a comfortable station in the next life.
Non-dualistic Vedantists are monists. Monism is entirely incompatible with most Western religions.

IndigoChild5559 · Sep 24, 2019

Judaism does not allow for human sacrifice. Thank goodness the other monotheistic religions have followed suit (the exception of Christianity's Lord and Savior noted). Society can not allow either public or private human sacrifices even though many historic pagan religions have required it.

Samantha Rinne · Oct 13, 2019

MikeDwight said:
I've talked a lot about exactly how we should not distance public display of religion, like French Liacite. The US 1st amendment is about religious expression like freedom of speech in public practice.

What are beliefs between religions that do not become syncretic under any circumstances? What beliefs never merge in other words, and are never compatible, but are asserted in opposing directions in the major religions?

Christian marriage vs the other marriage types are obvious. Christ advocated a lifelong marriage that cannot be broken. Jews could easily write divorces. Muslims can set aside concubines, 2nd and even 1st wives. correct me there where I'm wrong? These religions do not intermarry for the varied understanding of different arrangements. Eastern religions all allow men to marry multiple women or have concubines in different circumstances, its much more humanist over there though in practice. Correct me if I'm wrong?

They of course have different holidays but that's all private practice except catholic celebrations and muslim calls to prayer. How do we unite society with the variety in religion in the way the French draw away from trying to do?

The philosophy forum is not the obvious impact we should think of religion. Its our daily lives. Think of Muslims and aggressiveness with women that are viewed as improper, knightly behavior should protect the weak.

Muslims have rules within Islam to not treat the Christian coworker the same as other coworkers? That's hard to ignore since islam later comments on those of the older faiths?

Will 3 prayers a day for Muslims become Reasonable Acommodation for employers that does Not harm their productivity? Anyone? I've never seen that.

The practices between the faiths given full intellectual and involved discussion but will not merge in an intellectual way, are asked about. Forget 3 prayers, that's not a Contradiction, more like how people would be married, or like the selective Protestant Marriages not marrying Catholics.

Technically Catholicism protects one language, latin, and the Quran protects one language, Arabic, which is a serious contradiction. In our focused secular work, there's different Confucian views of a leader.

Lets forget any sort of prayer or mosque time or church time and things that basically are preferencing social groups. Muslims do not want any single men seen with any women whatsoever. McDonald's full of atheists, upstanding atheists we'll imagine, dofind the marketing capitalist need for a Single Men's section and a Family section in dining areas.

Since you mentioned Islam, let's get to the point.

Generally religious practices cannot coexist if the state in which they are practiced sees them as "barbaric" or if they represent a rival state. This is correct, the state has as much bearing on what is unacceptable about religion as another religion. For example, polygamous marriage is taboo in the US regardless of the religion. So if burning your partner after you die (used to be common in Hindu countries). And an overt jiyzha tax represents a rival state as do religious laws that affect the public.

Jayhawker Soule · Oct 13, 2019

MikeDwight said:
syo said:

religious intolerance.

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That's simply immature. Cut it out.

Actually, I found it to be more than a little pertinent, particularly when recognized as a polemic against the drivel driving this thread.

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