What the reason that made devil or Satan forces working against human from the beginning

EtuMalku · Sep 3, 2019

j1i said:
i meant the Ibn arabi and Plato views (what you write = what you told) im little poor in deep English

Iblis becomes a guardian of the inner chamber of divinity where there is a Black Light, the realm beyond all duality.

about your sad feeling
Logo picture you place

It shows that you are sad because there is no story in history that I read showing that snakes are doing a noble job

That is why you may be saddened by the choice of characters with an evil role

Sorry, I do not mean to insult, but this is what motivated me to do so and I do not mean to diagnose the situation

You find my profile picture 'sad'? WTF! LOL . . . you assume I am 'sad' because YOU know nothing about the history of the Serpent? Trust me, I am quite content with what I know and understand. However, I do find it pathetic that you simply assume this and that about me in reference to things you apparently know nothing about.

This is not a discussion . . . this is baby-sitting.

j1i · Sep 3, 2019

EtuMalku said:
You find my profile picture 'sad'? WTF! LOL . . . you assume I am 'sad' because YOU know nothing about the history of the Serpent? Trust me, I am quite content with what I know and understand. However, I do find it pathetic that you simply assume this and that about me in reference to things you apparently know nothing about.

This is not a discussion . . . this is baby-sitting.

Yes, the picture of your choice and forced you to influence the selection

Your picture snake is entangled there is a complexity in relationships

Generally
I am a with Moses snake friend , environmentally friendly (eco)
she tokes magic snakes from Pharaoh

thank you my friend

Hugs

j1i · Sep 3, 2019

Deeje said:
God's condemnation of the King of Tyre is a veiled judgment on satan the devil....unless you think this king was a "covering cherub" in the garden of Eden? The comparisons are clear. It explains why satan became an adversary of his God. He was overcome by his own magnificence and misused his power.

It is apparent that this king manifested the same personality traits as God's adversary. Even to the fact that he was thrown down to the earth (as is mentioned in Revelation.) Both will have the same outcome. The incorrigibly wicked have no future.

Who was "the adversary" who brought the trials inflicted on Job?
With whom was God conversing in Job 1 & 2....according to Jewish belief?

Saint Frankenstein said:
Exactly. It doesn't make any sense. It reminds me of Hinduism. There are malicious demons in Hinduism but they're not viewed as completely evil. They're just immature, basically. They pose no real threat to the order of the cosmos and are always eventually defeated by the deities. Sometimes they spiritually progress to a more advanced state, too. That makes sense to me. No being can overcome the laws of the universe, even a deity, in this line of thought. So there is nothing that can truly threaten it for good.

But this dualism where the figures are locked in a cosmic battle is strange. It might have been a distortion of observing the cycles of nature. Because it seems the "evil devil" idea is a ripoff from Zoroastrianism which itself came from Indo-Iranian religion. Indo-European religions have the chaos war motif where the deities fight the forces of chaos that threaten the order of the cosmos (ancient Egyptian religion has this theme, too). So maybe this dualism in Christianity is a sort of outgrowth of that sort of concept.

Of course, in my view, the chaotic forces or "giants" aren't evil or even necessarily bad. They're just part of the natural cycles of the universe. We just tend to prefer the forces that uphold order for obvious reasons.

thanks for sharing friends

this is kind of you

j1i · Sep 4, 2019

stvdv said:
You're welcome.

And it was a great idea to place this Satan/Hell thread in Discussion and not in Debate; made it look like Heaven with all the respectful replies full of hearts

thanks dude
this is really means to me

Hockeycowboy · Sep 4, 2019

Rival said:
When you have an all-powerful god figure, a whiny little rebellious angel seems a really weird concept; what does it hope to achieve exactly? It's nonsense.

Really?
Then what’s your take on Genesis 6:1-4? Who are these “sons of God”?

stvdv · Sep 4, 2019

Rival said:
When you have an all-powerful god figure, a whiny little rebellious angel seems a really weird concept; what does it hope to achieve exactly? It's nonsense.

Finally something that makes sense IMO.
I always said "IF God exists and is omnipotent and created everything, then God also created the Devil IF it exists; in that case the Devil only exists by God's Grace".

Your word choice reminded me of parents. First they call their, still pure, child "little angel". Being rebellious parents obviously child becomes "rebellious little angel" and when parents make child whine "whiny little rebellious angel" is created.

IMHO that is how Devil came into "Being".
If human is God's creation then maybe it is correct to call "Human fantasy" also "God's creation". Of course "my fantasy" might be wrong

stvdv · Sep 4, 2019

Saint Frankenstein said:
There is no devil figure in Germanic religion. It's a completely different worldview than what you have in Abrahamic religions.

In "my religion" there is also no "devil figure". It's "devil figure of speech"

Rival · Sep 4, 2019

Hockeycowboy said:
Really?
Then what’s your take on Genesis 6:1-4? Who are these “sons of God”?

There are many takes on this in the Jewniverse, and one of them does include angels who 'fell' and cohabited with human women, but I reject this view in favour of a less mythic one; that they were all sinful humans. Another explanation is that the text is referring to sinful judges, elders, nobles &c. who were taking advantage of women. The word translated 'Sons of G-d' is misleading, as 'bnei elohim' does not and hasn't always had a literal reading; for ex. in psalms, where 'gods' (elohim) means 'judges'; G-d isn't saying he literally made humans to be gods, but that he gave certain people authority.

EtuMalku · Sep 4, 2019

j1i said:
Yes, the picture of your choice and forced you to influence the selection

What does that even mean?

Your picture snake is entangled there is a complexity in relationships

Anyone on this planet can tell you that the 'entangled snake' is the Caduceus of Mercury/Hermes, obviously you are oblivious to the last 5000 years of history . . . congratulations.

Generally
I am a with Moses snake friend , environmentally friendly (eco)
she tokes magic snakes from Pharaoh

thank you my friend

Hugs

Again . . .WTF are you saying? Do you know anything about Ophiolatreia? Can you form an intelligent sentence? Why am I speaking with you? LOL

j1i · Sep 5, 2019

EtuMalku said:
What does that even mean?

Anyone on this planet can tell you that the 'entangled snake' is the Caduceus of Mercury/Hermes, obviously you are oblivious to the last 5000 years of history . . . congratulations.

Again . . .WTF are you saying? Do you know anything about Ophiolatreia? Can you form an intelligent sentence? Why am I speaking with you? LOL

Forgive me
I made a mistake in your right
Just I wanted to tell you
If life doesn't smile, tickle it
So I said that you are sad at first so I put this phrase as a kind of kindness no more

I have sinned against you forgive me

Hockeycowboy · Sep 5, 2019

Rival said:
There are many takes on this in the Jewniverse, and one of them does include angels who 'fell' and cohabited with human women, but I reject this view in favour of a less mythic one; that they were all sinful humans. Another explanation is that the text is referring to sinful judges, elders, nobles &c. who were taking advantage of women. The word translated 'Sons of G-d' is misleading, as 'bnei elohim' does not and hasn't always had a literal reading; for ex. in psalms, where 'gods' (elohim) means 'judges'; G-d isn't saying he literally made humans to be gods, but that he gave certain people authority.

Well, here’s my take....it’s the same phrase used in Job 1 & 2, where we are told the ‘sons of God took their stations before Yahweh.” Also in Job 38:7, where it says they were “applauding” after the Earth was formed..

When one considers the extreme measures Yahweh took to cleanse the Earth (in the Flood), something drastic was definitely going on, that needed to be straightened out! ‘Taking all (women) whom they chose”?
It is from this situation, IMO, that the Greeks, Romans, Norse, etc., got their ideas (the kernel of truth) that form their mythologies, the idea of “gods” cohabiting with women and producing offspring, like Hercules and Perseus, who were based on the Nephilim, which were the real offspring of those Angels.

You can see how people born immediately after the Flood, in being told about pre-Flood life & society, would come up with these similar myths that have existed until today.

Take care, my cousin.

Samantha Rinne · Sep 6, 2019

Rival said:
There's no evil devil in Judaism.

So is the book of Job not in Judaism?

As for forces like Satan, I'm not sure I follow the party line, since although I accept Jesus, my view of God is a mix of Judaism and Taoism. Let's review Isaiah 45:7.

"I am the one who forms light and creates darkness; I bring peace and create misfortune. I, the Lord do all these things. "

God himself is fully in charge, to put power of evil into someone else's hands is deeply wrong. Many of the writers and authors that told stories like this misinformed people. There is such a thing as Satan, but it's far less of a presence than we might think. So let's break it down.

-Knowledge of Good & Evil is responsible for all human failing, not Satan or God. That is, when you ate that chocolate cake, that was all you, the devil did not make you do it. Major world evil is a result of separation from God, refer to Jesus's parable of the wicked tenants. All political powers owe their popularity and authority to God, who has granted them temporary rulership over the lands of Earth. But when Christ comes to judge (you notice that I didn't say returns, he raised from the dead and already returned), they won't continue to enjoy such powers.
-It is possible to be demon possessed. When you are separated from the Holy Spirit, demons inhabit instead (this happened to Saul, and it happens to world leaders that betray their people).
-God controls blessings and misfortune, causing things like hurricanes to happen. You ask, why would God do such a thing? Well several passages in the NT actually answer this, that God desires for us to grow, and misfortune builds character, that God often makes good out of evil, but Genesis again provides the answer. It's not really evil. It's distortion of our perception. Search "benefits of hurricanes," and you'd find that if they don't happen, things stagnate. Same for volcanoes.
-Okay, so Satan? Let's leave aside the fanciful Paradise Lost story. Satan is an angel of God. Angel btw refers to the "message." He has a specific message for all of us, and it's great. "You are at fault. " I know, you love it. It's so wonderful that you spend most of your life miserable, blaming yourself and eating huge amounts of chocolate and drinking large amounts of alcohol. Or you go into denial mode, which uhhh "If you say you have no sin, you deceive yourself..." Satan's role is Accuser. Not tempter, accusing is what he's about. He has no power over evil, he's a middle-management angel given the task of telling us our faults. You obviously will ask "why do this?" And the answer is, like the hurricane , to prevent stagnation. To push us towards creating beautiful art and music, we first must have a keen awareness of how much we need to improve. And yet, we humans aren't like nature, casually indifferent of all this. It messes us up. Which is why Christians believe we need a Savior (you may or may not, but this is kinda how you get to that belief).

Rival · Sep 6, 2019

Samantha Rinne said:
So is the book of Job not in Judaism?

As for forces like Satan, I'm not sure I follow the party line, since although I accept Jesus, my view of God is a mix of Judaism and Taoism. Let's review Isaiah 45:7.

"I am the one who forms light and creates darkness; I bring peace and create misfortune. I, the Lord do all these things. "

God himself is fully in charge, to put power of evil into someone else's hands is deeply wrong. Many of the writers and authors that told stories like this misinformed people. There is such a thing as Satan, but it's far less of a presence than we might think. So let's break it down.

-Knowledge of Good & Evil is responsible for all human failing, not Satan or God. That is, when you ate that chocolate cake, that was all you, the devil did not make you do it. Major world evil is a result of separation from God, refer to Jesus's parable of the wicked tenants. All political powers owe their popularity and authority to God, who has granted them temporary rulership over the lands of Earth. But when Christ comes to judge (you notice that I didn't say returns, he raised from the dead and already returned), they won't continue to enjoy such powers.
-It is possible to be demon possessed. When you are separated from the Holy Spirit, demons inhabit instead (this happened to Saul, and it happens to world leaders that betray their people).
-God controls blessings and misfortune, causing things like hurricanes to happen. You ask, why would God do such a thing? Well several passages in the NT actually answer this, that God desires for us to grow, and misfortune builds character, that God often makes good out of evil, but Genesis again provides the answer. It's not really evil. It's distortion of our perception. Search "benefits of hurricanes," and you'd find that if they don't happen, things stagnate. Same for volcanoes.
-Okay, so Satan? Let's leave aside the fanciful Paradise Lost story. Satan is an angel of God. Angel btw refers to the "message." He has a specific message for all of us, and it's great. "You are at fault. " I know, you love it. It's so wonderful that you spend most of your life miserable, blaming yourself and eating huge amounts of chocolate and drinking large amounts of alcohol. Or you go into denial mode, which uhhh "If you say you have no sin, you deceive yourself..." Satan's role is Accuser. Not tempter, accusing is what he's about. He has no power over evil, he's a middle-management angel given the task of telling us our faults. You obviously will ask "why do this?" And the answer is, like the hurricane , to prevent stagnation. To push us towards creating beautiful art and music, we first must have a keen awareness of how much we need to improve. And yet, we humans aren't like nature, casually indifferent of all this. It messes us up. Which is why Christians believe we need a Savior (you may or may not, but this is kinda how you get to that belief).

Yes, but Satan is not evil in the book of Job; he is under G-d's authority.

j1i · Sep 6, 2019

Hockeycowboy said:
Well, here’s my take....it’s the same phrase used in Job 1 & 2, where we are told the ‘sons of God took their stations before Yahweh.” Also in Job 38:7, where it says they were “applauding” after the Earth was formed..

When one considers the extreme measures Yahweh took to cleanse the Earth (in the Flood), something drastic was definitely going on, that needed to be straightened out! ‘Taking all (women) whom they chose”?
It is from this situation, IMO, that the Greeks, Romans, Norse, etc., got their ideas (the kernel of truth) that form their mythologies, the idea of “gods” cohabiting with women and producing offspring, like Hercules and Perseus, who were based on the Nephilim, which were the real offspring of those Angels.

You can see how people born immediately after the Flood, in being told about pre-Flood life & society, would come up with these similar myths that have existed until today.

Take care, my cousin.

Rival said:
Yes, but Satan is not evil in the book of Job; he is under G-d's authority.

Hockeycowboy said:
Well, here’s my take....it’s the same phrase used in Job 1 & 2, where we are told the ‘sons of God took their stations before Yahweh.” Also in Job 38:7, where it says they were “applauding” after the Earth was formed..

When one considers the extreme measures Yahweh took to cleanse the Earth (in the Flood), something drastic was definitely going on, that needed to be straightened out! ‘Taking all (women) whom they chose”?
It is from this situation, IMO, that the Greeks, Romans, Norse, etc., got their ideas (the kernel of truth) that form their mythologies, the idea of “gods” cohabiting with women and producing offspring, like Hercules and Perseus, who were based on the Nephilim, which were the real offspring of those Angels.

You can see how people born immediately after the Flood, in being told about pre-Flood life & society, would come up with these similar myths that have existed until today.

Take care, my cousin.

thanks for sharing brothers and sisters
GOD bless you

EtuMalku · Sep 6, 2019

Samantha Rinne said:
So is the book of Job not in Judaism?

As for forces like Satan, I'm not sure I follow the party line, since although I accept Jesus, my view of God is a mix of Judaism and Taoism. Let's review Isaiah 45:7.

"I am the one who forms light and creates darkness; I bring peace and create misfortune. I, the Lord do all these things. "

God himself is fully in charge, to put power of evil into someone else's hands is deeply wrong. Many of the writers and authors that told stories like this misinformed people. There is such a thing as Satan, but it's far less of a presence than we might think. So let's break it down.

-Knowledge of Good & Evil is responsible for all human failing, not Satan or God. That is, when you ate that chocolate cake, that was all you, the devil did not make you do it. Major world evil is a result of separation from God, refer to Jesus's parable of the wicked tenants. All political powers owe their popularity and authority to God, who has granted them temporary rulership over the lands of Earth. But when Christ comes to judge (you notice that I didn't say returns, he raised from the dead and already returned), they won't continue to enjoy such powers.
-It is possible to be demon possessed. When you are separated from the Holy Spirit, demons inhabit instead (this happened to Saul, and it happens to world leaders that betray their people).
-God controls blessings and misfortune, causing things like hurricanes to happen. You ask, why would God do such a thing? Well several passages in the NT actually answer this, that God desires for us to grow, and misfortune builds character, that God often makes good out of evil, but Genesis again provides the answer. It's not really evil. It's distortion of our perception. Search "benefits of hurricanes," and you'd find that if they don't happen, things stagnate. Same for volcanoes.
-Okay, so Satan? Let's leave aside the fanciful Paradise Lost story. Satan is an angel of God. Angel btw refers to the "message." He has a specific message for all of us, and it's great. "You are at fault. " I know, you love it. It's so wonderful that you spend most of your life miserable, blaming yourself and eating huge amounts of chocolate and drinking large amounts of alcohol. Or you go into denial mode, which uhhh "If you say you have no sin, you deceive yourself..." Satan's role is Accuser. Not tempter, accusing is what he's about. He has no power over evil, he's a middle-management angel given the task of telling us our faults. You obviously will ask "why do this?" And the answer is, like the hurricane , to prevent stagnation. To push us towards creating beautiful art and music, we first must have a keen awareness of how much we need to improve. And yet, we humans aren't like nature, casually indifferent of all this. It messes us up. Which is why Christians believe we need a Savior (you may or may not, but this is kinda how you get to that belief).

As a Taoist how could you even entertain the idea of the vile Abrahamic religion, much less tie it in with Taoism? It makes me question whther you understand either Taoism or Christianity?

Goodman John · Sep 6, 2019

My view is that, far from God being the creator of this physical world, Satan is the creator following his fall from the spiritual realm. As Satan is flawed and cruel and evil, so too is this world. We were intended to be servants of Satan, but as we required a spirit to 'make us work'- and those spirits were God's creation- there is an ongoing battle for control of our souls between God wanting us to 'get right' and be able to escape this world to return to him, and Satan wanting to deceive us and keep us distracted from knowing of our spiritual nature. As long as Satan keeps our soul here, he stays in charge- once enough souls escape back to God, Satan's game comes crashing down- our physical universe ceases to exist- and Satan is returned to the spiritual realm to await the inevitable beat-down from God for making so much trouble and being a nuisance. Got trouble with famine, pestilence, disease, war, or aggressive vegetarians? Thank Satan for it- he's behind all of that to keep us off balance.

Deeje · Sep 6, 2019

Rival said:
Yes, but Satan is not evil in the book of Job; he is under G-d's authority.

Every living thing is under God's authority.

A cursory reading of Job will often overlook some crucial details.

Job 1:6.....
"6 Now the day came about, and the angels of God came to stand beside the Lord, and the Adversary, too, came among them"

That satan is an angel is not in dispute, but in what capacity is he operating?

The Tanach puts it this way...
"Now the Lord said to the Adversary, "Have you paid attention to My servant Job? For there is none like him on earth, a sincere and upright man, God-fearing and shunning evil."

9 And the Adversary answered the Lord and said, "Does Job fear God for nothing?
10 Haven't You made a hedge around him, his household, and all that he has on all sides? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his livestock has spread out in the land.

11 But now, stretch forth Your hand and touch all that he has, will he not blaspheme You to Your face?"

What is an "adversary"?....."An enemy that contends with or resists; an antagonist or opponent. The Hebrew word for “adversary” (tsar) comes from a root meaning “harass; show hostility to.”

Is this angel really working "for" God or "against" him? The book of Genesis sets the scene for who and what "the adversary" is and what he wants from humans.

When God said "Have you paid attention to My servant Job? For there is none like him on earth, a sincere and upright man, God-fearing and shunning evil."...isn't this something an all knowing God would have already discerned was on satan's mind? He is not asking the adversary if he has noticed Job's faithfulness, but I believe he is acknowledging something that satan was already thinking about. Satan's replies show that he is trying to get the most faithful man on earth at that time, to curse his God because of the loss of everything he valued. But it failed, so he tried it again when Job's integrity stayed intact.

"And the Lord said to the Adversary, "Have you paid attention to My servant Job? For there is none like him in the earth, a sincere and upright man, God-fearing and shunning evil, and he still maintains his sincerity. Yet you enticed Me against him."

4Now the Adversary replied to the Lord and said, "Skin for skin, and whatever a person has he will give for his life.

5But, stretch forth Your hand now and touch his bones and his flesh, will he not blaspheme You to Your face?" (Job 2:3-5)

In the second attempt, by saying "Skin for skin, and whatever a person has he will give for his life." he was not just including Job, but all of us. All humans were included in this test and Job's incredible example is there in the Bible to show us what integrity means. The man had no knowledge of the conversation that was taking place in heaven, yet he still refused to blame God for his troubles.

The third attempt was to get his peers to accuse him of doing things for which God was punishing him....challenging the very basis for his faith. He had no idea why these things were happening to him, yet this third attempt, on top of what he had already been through, should have been the straw that broke the camel's back....but God already knew that this man's faith was rock solid....otherwise he would never have allowed it to happen. (1 Corinthians 10:13)

The adversary IMO, is working in his own interests. None of the trials brought on Job were executed by God. As a righteous judge, he cannot bring about calamity on an innocent man, but the adversary showed no compunction....no mercy....no compassion.

God's rewarding Job in the end demonstrated his great pleasure in this man's willingness to suffer for his faith and he proved that the taunting adversary was a liar. (Job 42:10-17; Proverbs 27:11)

Samantha Rinne · Sep 6, 2019

EtuMalku said:
As a Taoist how could you even entertain the idea of the vile Abrahamic religion, much less tie it in with Taoism? It makes me question whther you understand either Taoism or Christianity?

Why is Abrahamic religion "vile" as you put it? I grew up with it, and then I acquired a copy of the Tao te Ching from my sister's ex and have read it ever since. That which I do understand of the Tao is that good and bad are mostly just words, it's about how they complement each other (can a hero be heroic if there is nothing to stand against). Likewise, Taoism has given me an impression of a God that is One, as the Jews put it, beyond our distorted perception of good or evil. So no, Abrahamic religion not "vile." It's about a God who just is ( I Am, he says). What's vile is pretenders that came after, like Islam and Mormonism. Neither are really part of the Abrahamic religion, they were ppl looking for fame/power/wealth. On the other hand, I see no problem reconciling Taoism with Christian/Jewish thought.

In Taoism, the creation proceeds as follows. There is the Wu Chi (undifferentiated ummm stuff), then the pure Yang and pure Yin, and then the Tai Chi (Yin/Yang).

So I can read this side by side with Genesis, and it reads as follows: there was a inferred period (wu chi) before anything is written, there is God (pure Yang) moving along the shapeless void (pure Yin), and then "let there be Light" (Tao). Light is not the absence of darkness, it always casts shadow, because real light is about light AND shadow. Likewise, the Creation is an echo of this. Twice.

God splits night and day, sky and earth, land and water, sea and land life, plant and animal. Then reunifies as Earth.

God creates Man as male and female (intersex) then divides the "ribs" (tsela, means rib but also refers to two sides, as in the first man was a two-sided being divided in two). Again, undifferentiated, then divided into male and female. Then they choose to know Good and Evil, being reunified. I believe Jewish weddings have some sort of tradition of broken glass, representing how the world is fragmented and the attempt to rejoin it.

So you see, no I have no beef with such combined. Perhaps you don't understand as well as you thought?

And yes, Rival, this is what I eventually said. Satan is under God's authority as an angel.

Hockeycowboy · Sep 7, 2019

j1i said:
thanks for sharing brothers and sisters
GOD bless you

Take care, my cousin!

EtuMalku · Sep 7, 2019

Samantha Rinne said:
Why is Abrahamic religion "vile" as you put it? . . .And yes, Rival, this is what I eventually said. Satan is under God's authority as an angel.

I find the Abrahamic faiths to be vile for a number of reasons. Their intent is to take away the power of the individual and to enslave them to the Will of Yahweh. Thy Will Be Done as opposed to My Will Be Done.

Yahweh was originally an Edomite, Midianite and the Moabite deity of metallurgy and war, possibly an offshoot of the Canaannite god El. Yahweh would later be appropriated by Israel and then later by the Christians.

Almost every other page of the Old Testament reads of war, hate, slavery, and misogyny.
Throughout the Christian bible, Yahweh murders hundreds of thousands;

1 Chronicles 21
-God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people

Deuteronomy 3
-God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. -He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value

Joshua 6
-He orders another attack and the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses”
-In (Judges 21) He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead

2 Kings 10:18-27
God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church!

Judges 21:10-24
God has an entire town killed and the virgins repeatedly raped, and then wanted more virgins, so they hid beside the road to kidnap and rape some more.

Numbers 31:7-18
"They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men . . . Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

Deuteronomy 20:10-14
"As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you."

These are a few reasons I find the Abrahamic faiths to be Vile = Evil

What the reason that made devil or Satan forces working against human from the beginning

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