paarsurrey
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Why did the Jews reject their Messiah when he DID come?
It was/is simply their fault.
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It was/is simply their fault.
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Why did the Jews reject their Messiah when he DID come?
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PruePhillip
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That's a bit of a low-grade effort.
And saying "love for all, hate for none" suggests you don't believe in anything
and stand for nothing.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
I didn't say there weren't historical records. I simply am saying that there are mistakes within.
Genesis 2 is a creative creation myth. Myth is the highest, most powerful form of literature there is. It conveys to us our most meaningful, deepest, eternal truths. But myths are not meant to be read as science or history.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Wow. If that's not anti-Semitism, I don't know what is. How is it anyone's fault that they are not convinced of something?
PruePhillip
Well-Known Member
Been having this conversation with people on this forum.
Genesis 1 gives a correct statement about the sequence of creation events.
Certainly the six days are theological. I can't be sure about Adam and Eve
because Genesis states there were also other people there as well.
But yes, from the creation of the heavens to the creation of man - more or
less same sequence as science accepts.
heavens
earth (dark, oceanic)
opening of the skies
emergence of land
life appears on land (more likely, fresh water, clay)
life emerges from the sea
mankind.
Spartan
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I guess what you fail to understand is that Jesus' sacrifice and the New Covenant (foretold in Jeremiah chapter 31) is the legitimate fulfillment and new standard of the sacrificial system of Judaism.
It also confirms how righteousness is achieved in Judaism and Christianity (a Jewish-based movement). That righteousness CONTINUES to be by grace through faith in God (Genesis 15:6; Ephesians 2:8-9). Only now, with Christ, God is known. Because Jesus is Jehovah. NUMEROUS scriptural evidences for that in the link below.
Jesus Must be Jehovah
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
How is it anti-Semitism? The Jews are prone to mistakes as are others. The Jews did commit a mistake in not accepting Issa/Jesus, so no harm if they admit it and make amend for it. Right, please?
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Yohanan ben Yaaqov
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The entire xian story is pagan. The belief that any "god" could or would have any type of relatives is pagan, and therefore idolatry which is absolutely forbidden. The belief that any "god" could or would produce any offspring with any human is pagan, and therefore idolatry which is absolutely forbidden.
In order to be of the Royal Bloodline one ABSOLUTELY MUST be a father to son biological descendant of King David through King Solomon, and ABSOLUTELY MUST exclude any link to King Jeconiah.
Since none of the xian gods are biological descendants of King Solomon, and since women do not have any tribal or familial lineage, and since the product of any illegal union has no lineage at all, the protagonist of the xian fairytale has absolutely no connection to the Royal Bloodline. None of the rest of the entirely pagan story even matters.
In order to be of the Royal Bloodline one ABSOLUTELY MUST be a father to son biological descendant of King David through King Solomon, and ABSOLUTELY MUST exclude any link to King Jeconiah.
Since none of the xian gods are biological descendants of King Solomon, and since women do not have any tribal or familial lineage, and since the product of any illegal union has no lineage at all, the protagonist of the xian fairytale has absolutely no connection to the Royal Bloodline. None of the rest of the entirely pagan story even matters.
sooda
Veteran Member
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
I agree that the present Pauline-Christ-ianity is basically a Pagan-Christ-ianity, it has nothing to do with Jesus.
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MonkeyFire
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Jesus fulfilled the prophecy of the sin of mankind with his blood. He is the Jewish prophet.
sooda
Veteran Member
You mean because Jesus didn't
fit the prophecy??
Jesus was NOT an anointed Warrior king who vanquished the enemies of the Jews. Christians changed the prophecy after the fact. Who are YOU to say they got it wrong? Isn't Jesus enough for you without rewriting the OT?
sooda
Veteran Member
Are you claiming that Jesus was a blood sacrifice? He wasn't sacrificed on the alter or the Temple.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
IndigoChild5559 said: ↑
Wow. If that's not anti-Semitism, I don't know what is. How is it anyone's fault that they are not convinced of something?
paarsurrey said: ↑
How is it anti-Semitism? The Jews are prone to mistakes as are others. The Jews did commit a mistake in not accepting Issa/Jesus, so no harm if they admit it and make amend for it. Right, please?
I was replying to IndigoChild5559 who described his religion as "Judaism", please.
Regards
Wow. If that's not anti-Semitism, I don't know what is. How is it anyone's fault that they are not convinced of something?
paarsurrey said: ↑
How is it anti-Semitism? The Jews are prone to mistakes as are others. The Jews did commit a mistake in not accepting Issa/Jesus, so no harm if they admit it and make amend for it. Right, please?
I was replying to IndigoChild5559 who described his religion as "Judaism", please.
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MonkeyFire
Well-Known Member
Literally they were about to crucify then the Quran saved him from death.
Spartan
Well-Known Member
You err because you do not know the scriptures.
Note carefully the language used about Solomon: “I will establish his kingdom…I will establish his throne forever….I will set him over my house and my kingdom forever; his throne will be established forever” (1 Chronicles 17).
There was, however, a divine condition clearly laid out: “I will establish his kingdom forever IF he is unswerving in carrying out my commands and laws, as is being done at this time” (1 Chronicles 28:7). Was Solomon unswerving in carrying out God’s commands and laws? Hardly!
The scriptural record is very clear:
From 1 Kings 11:1-8 -
1 King Solomon, however, loved many foreign women besides Pharaoh's daughter—Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Sidonians and Hittites. 2 They were from nations about which the LORD had told the Israelites, "You must not intermarry with them, because they will surely turn your hearts after their gods." Nevertheless, Solomon held fast to them in love. 3 He had seven hundred wives of royal birth and three hundred concubines, and his wives led him astray. 4 As Solomon grew old, his wives turned his heart after other gods, and his heart was not fully devoted to the LORD his God, as the heart of David his father had been. 5 He followed Ashtoreth the goddess of the Sidonians, and Molech the detestable god of the Ammonites. 6 So Solomon did evil in the eyes of the LORD; he did not follow the LORD completely, as David his father had done.
7 On a hill east of Jerusalem, Solomon built a high place for Chemosh the detestable god of Moab, and for Molech the detestable god of the Ammonites. 8 He did the same for all his foreign wives, who burned incense and offered sacrifices to their gods.
From 1 Kings 11:9-13
9 The LORD became angry with Solomon because his heart had turned away from the LORD, the God of Israel, who had appeared to him twice. 10 Although he had forbidden Solomon to follow other gods, Solomon did not keep the LORD's command. 11 So the LORD said to Solomon, "Since this is your attitude and you have not kept my covenant and my decrees, which I commanded you, I will most certainly tear the kingdom away from you and give it to one of your subordinates. 12 Nevertheless, for the sake of David your father, I will not do it during your lifetime. I will tear it out of the hand of your son. 13 Yet I will not tear the whole kingdom from him, but will give him one tribe for the sake of David my servant and for the sake of Jerusalem, which I have chosen."
Solomon did not meet God’s conditions, and his throne was not established forever. It is the Throne of David’s which was to meet the condition. (Source: Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus, Vol. 4, pages 90-91)
Spartan
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Stay tuned for the Second Coming, when he will.
Spartan
Well-Known Member
See my previous post busting your claim about Solomon.
Now it's time to bust the myth that the Messiah cannot come from the line of Jeconiah.
Numerous places in Judaic literature note that the curse on Jeconiah was annulled:
Jewish Encyclopedia: "Jehoiachin's sad experiences changed his nature entirely, and as he repented of the sins which he had committed as king he was pardoned by God, who revoked the decree to the effect that none of his descendants should ever become king (Jer. xxii.30; Pesik., ed. Buber, xxv. 163a, b): he even became the ancestor of the Messiah (Tan., Toledot, 20 [ed. Buber, i. 140])."
--Louis Ginzberg, "Jehoiachin," vol. 7 p. 84.
Rabbi A. J. Rosenberg, on Jeremiah 22:30 (20th c.)
In this, too, no man of his seed shall prosper, namely that no one will occupy the throne of David nor rule in Judah. Although we find that Zerubbabel, his great grandson, did rule over Judah upon the return of the exiles, the Rabbis (Pesikta d'Rav Kahana p. 163a) state that this was because Jehoiachin repented while in prison. They state further: Repentance is great, for it nullifies a person's sentence, as it is stated: 'Inscribe this man childless.' But since he repented, his sentence was revoked and turned to the good, and he said to him, "I will take you, Zerubbabel, and I will make you a signet" (Haggai 2:23). They state further: Said Rabbi Johanan: Exile expiates all sins, as it is said: "Inscribe this man childless," and after he was exiled, it is written: '(1 Chron. 3:17) And the sons of Jeconiah, Assir, Shealtiel his son'--[Redak].
--A. J. Rosenberg, Jeremiah: A New English Translation (New York: Judaica Press, 1985), vol. 1 p. 185. "Redak" is an acronym for Rabbi David Kimchi (13th c.), whose opinion Rosenberg cites.
Many more examples in the following link:
http://www.jewsforjesus.org/answers/prophecy/jeconiah
So the Jeconiah curse was nullified because of his repentance.
sooda
Veteran Member
Scofield, huh. The Zionists changed Protestantism. The tribulation was over in 70 AD.
Solomon is a huge fantasy...… They give him credit for building projects by Omri and copper mines owned by Egypt and the Edomites. Epic story telling is what they did best from their tiny whistlestop in bandit territory on the trade route.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
If you followed these ideas, then I suppose the part of israel that was conquered under auspices of 'idolatry', should be relinquished? What does that type of theology say about that?
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