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Why does God care about some mammal species floating around in the middle of nowhere?

Jos

Well-Known Member
I think I already know what's on your list.
No. I don't worry that I am being conned, I worry that unbelievers have been conned. 2 Corinthians 4:4
I could list the reasons why I am sure I haven't been conned, but you have. We could compare lists if you like.
I'll give you a hint how I know.
You want to take the train to the Carolina State - Well not right now, because Dorian is there (hope persons have taken safety measures). How do you know which train to take?
To me, it's as simple as that. You just don't go jump on any train, do you? Everything has markers. Everything.
The thing is, can we identify the markings, or have we been duped into seeing our own preferred markers.
For example, some have jumped on the evolution train, claiming that the markings are there, and they will reach their destination.
I'm on another train - the one marked Christianity as described in the Bible.
Let's see which train takes us to the destination we are happy with, at the end of the day.
Inasmuch as they don’t exploit people.
I'll have to respond later, my battery's low.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
If one "proves" or even "disproves" God, what does that particularly gain one? Nothing! It's an empty exercise, devoid of anything productive. The business of theological speculation and spiritual formation isn't concerned with proof. It's concern is enriching our lives through helping us make meaning of ourselves and our world.
It might end our long history of religious strife and exploitation.
Why do you care if someone is drowning, or choking on a bone? Oh. Evolution. No.
Evolution yes.
We're too puny to have survived as a solitary species. Without tribal altruism we'd never have made it.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Yeah you would have confidence based on evidence but I don't see reasons to believe that if a creator exists that they would be trustworthy due to a multitude of reasons, if you want me to list them. You seem like a nice guy, don't you ever worry that you're being conned or you've been mistaken in what you place your trust in?
Surely a sheep can trust its shepherd always to look out for its best interests.
oh, wait....
 
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Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Man was made in the image of God to reflect on God and reflect his glory

That reflected glory was tarnished but is redeemed in Christ
Now you're just preaching unsupported christian folklore.
You need to support your points.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
It might end our long history of religious strife and exploitation.
Evolution yes.
We're too puny to have survived as a solitary species. Without tribal altruism we'd never have made it.
That's a guess many don't agree with, but I don't expect you would know.
 

Glaurung

Denizen of Niflheim
If you take it for granted that human existence is insignificant, then the notion that God would care deeply about us may be hard to accept. But there's no reason to take such things for granted. Because when you realise such statements as made in the title of this thread are ideological, then the notion that human existence may be immeasurably valuable to God is not at all hard to accept.
 
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Eddi

Agnostic
Premium Member
Why? Can anyone explain?
To give himself something to occupy his time with

To prevent him getting bored

To prevent him feeling lonely

Basically: To give his existence a purpose

Why have nothing when you can have something?
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
My Master asked a man what the name of his organisation (helping others) was.
"People's Trust" the man replied
"Never trust people" my Master replied

My mother told me, age 10, white lie is ok
I said "then I can never trust you".

Why trust someone you never met? o_O
Hence I use "Common Sense before Divine Sense"

I've little enough reason to trust most of the people I have met.
I've enough reasons NOT to trust blindly most of the people I have met
 

JJ50

Well-Known Member
Because we create our Gods. And, why bother to create a God that doesn't care about us?

Maybe there is a God but it's always some other person telling you about God. A messenger... And we are suppose to take their word on it?
Why trust someone you never met? o_O
Does that make any sense? But, we are supposed to trust these people we've never met. Heck, I've little enough reason to trust most of the people I have met.

Good post.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
God made them in His own image.

Here we go with the unverifiable claims. What exactly does it mean anyway?
You should be happy with this claim

It tells you a lot:
1) Many humans can't be trusted
2) Many humans don't care

So Bible proves ("in His image"):
1) God can't be trusted
2) God does not care

Knowing these fact, I see no need to prove or disprove whether "this" God exists or not; do you?
 
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TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Your understanding doesn't bear any more weight than my understanding.

It does, if his understanding is actually verifiable and confirmed when verified.
It means his understanding has evidence. While yours, doesn't.

I have no desire to expend energy on "proof" for that which has no need of being proven.

Why do you think that your claims are exempt from the burden of proof?

If one "proves" or even "disproves" God, what does that particularly gain one? Nothing! It's an empty exercise, devoid of anything productive. The business of theological speculation and spiritual formation isn't concerned with proof. It's concern is enriching our lives through helping us make meaning of ourselves and our world.

Do you know what is concerned with proof / evidence / verifiability? Those things where accuracy and rationality is deemed important.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Why do you care if someone is drowning, or choking on a bone?

Because we have this thing called empathy.

Oh. Evolution.


Okay, sure... empathy is an evolved trait, that is correct.


Yes.

The first humans had God's attributes running through their DNA.

Citation / evidence needed.

It's God's nature... according to the living word of God - the Bible (Genesis 1:26; Acts 17:26; Galatians 5:22; 1 John 4:8; Hebrews 4:12)

The bible is not alive, nore is it the word of any gods. They are the words of men, written down. By men.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
If you saw evidence that you could trust a total stranger to cook for you, you would have a measure of faith and confidence that they won't poison you.
People trust nurses and doctors, when they go to the hospital. Why?
They see evidence they can trust them.

Similarly, those who investigated, have seen evidence that the can trust the creator.
Also, they don't agree that God is a stranger to them. Acts 17:26, 27; Psalm 10:4
The only reason you have evidence of nurses and doctors, is because you can observe them doing their work.

To have equal quality evidence of god, one would have to be able to observe god doing his work.

If that can't be done, then your analogy fails miserably.
And it does, because it can't be done, off course.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
How do you know your wife is trustworthy?

Because I've been in a relationship with her for almost 25 years now. Me considering my wife trustworthy is the result of 25 years of accumulated evidence of her showing herself to be trustworthy.

Same principle. Psalm 10:4

No, not the same principle at all.
My trust is based on a track record of evidence.
Your "trust" is based on claims in a book that you "just believe".
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Let's see which train takes us to the destination we are happy with, at the end of the day.

Here's your fallacious mistake...
The destination isn't "whatever makes me happy".
The destination rather is "being rationally justified in your beliefs"

At the end of the day, all you have are just faith based religious beliefs that are not in evidence at all and which, at worst, are in contradiction with the actual evidence.
 
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