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Regarding 'Creation Stories'

Good-Ole-Rebel

Good-Ole-Rebel

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Subduction Zone said:
Your obvious fear to deal with reality. Your fear that will not let you debate properly. The weak in faith demand a literal interpretation of the Bible. The strong in faith do not need that crutch.
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As I said, you don't determine the weakness or strength of my faith. If you see my faith as a crutch, so be it.

Good-Ole-Rebel
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Good-Ole-Rebel said:
As I said, if you see my faith as a crutch, so be it. If you see my faith in God and Christ as weak, so be it.

Good-Ole-Rebel
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That it is is abundantly clear. All you can do here is shout your beliefs. A person without fear could discuss his beliefs. Your actions speak louder than your words.
 
Good-Ole-Rebel

Good-Ole-Rebel

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Subduction Zone said:
That it is is abundantly clear. All you can do here is shout your beliefs. A person without fear could discuss his beliefs. Your actions speak louder than your words.
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If you just want the last word, go ahead. As far as the 'Creation Story', I believe that which is recorded in the Bible, as I have said. If you don't want to believe it, you don't have to. But I do.

Good-Ole-Rebel
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Good-Ole-Rebel said:
If you just want the last word, go ahead. As far as the 'Creation Story', I believe that which is recorded in the Bible, as I have said. If you don't want to believe it, you don't have to. But I do.

Good-Ole-Rebel
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It is not a matter of want. That is your sin. If you understood the evidence there is no choice but to accept the theory of evolution, or to believe in a lying god. But then, you are probably too afraid to do so. The strong in faith do not have your fear.

Can you put your fear aside?
 
exchemist

exchemist

Veteran Member
Good-Ole-Rebel said:
Worthless to you, not to me.

I am content to put my faith in God and Christ and His written Word, the Bible. If that is circular reasoning, so be it.

Good-Ole-Rebel
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It isn't, though some of what you have argued above is. But you can't tell the difference anyway so have a nice day.
 
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PruePhillip

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Audie said:
"Acknowledge"??? :D

The OT creo-story is so obviously and blatantly
false, it is a demi-miracle that anyone can manage to
believe it.
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This is the scientific creation story.
One day (when there was no day) the empty void and nothingness said
"Hey! I am going to create a universe!"
So it created a universe with a Big Bang. This empty void was quite clever
to do that considering it had nothing to do it with - not even time or space
or energy or even physical laws. And more amazing - it had to conceptualize
what it wanted, AND WHY it wanted it.
This empty void must have been conscious in some way to do this.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
InChrist said:
People can say or believe whatever they want because they do this often enough, just picking and choosing what they want to. But as far as the NT goes, Jesus and various accounts by Luke, Peter and maybe others in the NT acknowledge those creation stories as factual events.

For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. 2 Peter 3:5-6
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Picking and choosing is simply deliberate self deception.
Some of us are not good at lying to ourselves.

Are you an exception, you did not choose, like all those
others?
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
InChrist said:
Actually, Jesus more than acknowledged, throughout the gospels He very obviously and blatantly affirmed the accounts in the OT as trustworthy, real, historical events, not myths, fairy tales, or simply allegorical stories. That may not be good enough for you and many others, but Jesus' perspective is good enough for me, especially since according to the scriptures He is the ONE who spoke creation into existence.

I don't know what a demi-miracle is.
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All the worse for "Jesus" if he did think that there
was really a flood.

If he had said there are still dinosaurs at the south pole.
I guess you'd have to believe that too.

Speaking of south pole, there is ice there over two million
years old. Your silly "flood" must have really been a long
time ago! :D

demi-
  1. 1.
    half; half-size.
    "demisemiquaver"
  2. 2.
    partially; in an inferior degree.

So a demi-miracle would be a partial miracle,
of inferior quality. :D
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
Good-Ole-Rebel said:
If you just want the last word, go ahead. As far as the 'Creation Story', I believe that which is recorded in the Bible, as I have said. If you don't want to believe it, you don't have to. But I do.

Good-Ole-Rebel
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So you believe "Jesus" was a lamb. Baa Baa.
No, a door!
 
Goodman John

Goodman John

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Good-Ole-Rebel said:
1) God told Adam not to eat of the fruit. (Gen. 2:16-17) Pretty simple really. They knew the 'rule' as there was only one. Don't eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

2) Why a flood? I don't know. It pleased God to use the flood.

3) God doesn't mind stressing animals or people out.

Good-Ole-Rebel
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1) And that's the ONLY rule he gave to Adam and Eve. Just that one, and they broke it. So god kicked them out of the Garden- but nowhere does the Bible indicate he gave them any other instruction on how to live or think of him or worship or even what was right and wrong. They were utterly alone, with absolutely no frame of reference to tell them anything.

2) "I don't know" Best answer EVAR.

3) But why stress out animals and people for no reason, knowing it's harmful to them? That doesn't sound like a kind and loving god at all- it's actually bordering on sadistic. I know Standard Answer #142 is going to be "God works in mysterious ways" so please try something else.
 
Good-Ole-Rebel

Good-Ole-Rebel

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Goodman John said:
1) And that's the ONLY rule he gave to Adam and Eve. Just that one, and they broke it. So god kicked them out of the Garden- but nowhere does the Bible indicate he gave them any other instruction on how to live or think of him or worship or even what was right and wrong. They were utterly alone, with absolutely no frame of reference to tell them anything.

2) "I don't know" Best answer EVAR.

3) But why stress out animals and people for no reason, knowing it's harmful to them? That doesn't sound like a kind and loving god at all- it's actually bordering on sadistic. I know Standard Answer #142 is going to be "God works in mysterious ways" so please try something else.
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That is the only law God gave to Adam, yes.

Adam and Eve already knew God. Just because they fell doesn't mean they lost all knowledge of God. Neither does it mean God ceased communicating with them.

As a result of the fall, Adam and Eve now had a conscience which gave them the knowledge of good and evil. This they didn't need or have before. Now they do. This is what they now were to walk by.

They were not 'utterly alone'. For God did not desert Adam and Eve. But they did have to walk in the environment that was the result of the fall.

Well, concerning the animals, it is much like the curse upon the earth. Why did God curse the earth due to Adam's sin? It would no longer be a paradise for man to live in. Instead it would grow thorns. And through grief and hardship would man make his way on the earth. Why? Because a fallen mankind did not merit an earth of paradise. They got an earth that fitted them.

Good-Ole-Rebel
 
Goodman John

Goodman John

Active Member
Why would God consign the plants and animal to the same screwed-up earth that he made Adam and Eve deal with? The lambs and puppies and sunflowers didn't do anything wrong, so why punish them for A&E's bad behavior? Does that seem 'loving and kind and just'?

Better yet, since Adam and Eve proved to be unreliable, why let them live at all? Why not destroy them and create a new pair of humans- and while he's at it, get rid of THAT tree so they have no chance of blowing it?
 
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Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Good-Ole-Rebel said:
What is your point? As I said, I believe that which is recorded in the Bible.

Good-Ole-Rebel
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Why? And remember 1 Peter 3 15.

The Bible does not even say that it is the "word of God" that is a mistake that some Christians make. It does not say that it is literally true or that everything in it is true.. Again this is a mistake that many Christians make.
 
Good-Ole-Rebel

Good-Ole-Rebel

Well-Known Member
Subduction Zone said:
Why? And remember 1 Peter 3 15.

The Bible does not even say that it is the "word of God" that is a mistake that some Christians make. It does not say that it is literally true or that everything in it is true.. Again this is a mistake that many Christians make.
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Because the Bible is the Word of God. (2 Tim. 3:16)

The Bible declares it is the Word of God. "Thus saith the Lord" permeates the Old Testament. The New Testament is equally acknowledged. (John 16:13) (John 17:17) (1 Thess. 2:13) etc. etc. etc.

The mistake is yours.

Good-Ole-Rebel
 
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