It seems to me that trying to figure out this question before it's established that God exists at all is putting the cart before the horse.
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God: Trinity or Unity?
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adelpit346
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angels have been among the beggars for over 2000 years collecting what was given to them by those that passed by them
all angels are male and have physical bodies
they have the ability to control the attractive and repulsive forces in matter
when heaven begins to arrive on earth the angels will come to many and test them
those that pass will receive much
god has a three part existence
one part is a physical man
another part is a spirit that creates new knowledge and the power to weld it
the third part is another spirit that is the source of love and forgiveness
they all have separate names but
work together in all things for they are of one mind
no one on earth knows what the man looks like
no one on earth has seen with their physical eyes the two spirits
one acting in the conscious mind of the man
and one acting in the heart of the man
three acting as one
you do not have to look for anything
be kind to strangers and you will be found acceptable
love you
Unveiled Artist
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What??
The dictionary says unity to be united or Joined as one. To what things are joined to make god one?
Trinity just says three things make god one.
Duality two things make god into one.
God is one unit.
Why do you feel god cannot be trinity?
Is there a way to know the nature of god? (You personally)
Neutral Name
Active Member
Isn't that the same thing? Three are one?
Actually no, One is not three.
Neutral Name
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Water is water whether it is flowing, frozen or steam. One is three things.
No, one thing water. Foolish analogy for the nature of God. It is obvious if you believe in God expresses God in many ways in Creation in the Spirit, but it remains God.
The Trinity describe Three distinct separate persons, and the Son sits on the right hand of God the Father.
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Neutral Name
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Good points, I'll have to think about that.
steveb1
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Depends which deity. I think that the biblical deity is numerically one.
However, he is surrounded by semi-divine, preexistent beings - the sons of God and/or the angelic council.
Some of these angels become vehicles for Yahweh's action in the world - Yahoel ("Yahweh, Jr."), the Angel of the Presence, the Angel of the Lord.
The greatest angel in terms of messianism is the Son of Man, a cloud-dwelling, primordial celestial being.
The Gospels are unanimous in agreeing that Jesus identified himself with this heavenly figure.
Philo called the Logos "a second god".
Thus it is a case of monotheism but with angelic beings being given certain divine attributes.
r2d2009
Member
On the States of God
In the mentality of so many people, God is a formidable Judge, punishing people for their sins.
This opinion prevails among the masses of people who consider themselves… Christians. Although Jesus Christtaught that God is, on the contrary, Love (1 John 4:8, 4:16).
Why is this happening? I believe that this is due to the fact that all those people have no understanding about the essence of God and about His intention concerning us, people.
I have discussed this topic in many previous publications. So now I will limit myself to a very brief summary.
The word God has several meanings:
— The Creator, Whose essence is the United We,consisting of many Holy Spirits, dwelling in the highest spatial dimension, called the Abode of the Creator.
— Absolute — that is the Creator, consubstantial with His Creation.
— The Holy Spirit (Brahman, Te). Although the Holy Spirits are infinite in number, collectively these words are often used in the singular. This arose in connection with the tendency of the Holy Spirits to merge into the United We in the Embrace of Perfect Divine Love. They are former people who have attained the Divine Perfection through successful traineeship from other Holy Spirits — Those Who have already attained Divinity before.
— Also the Holy Spirit, Who is embodied in the material human body, can be called as God. Such Divine Persons are denoted — in different languages — as Messiah, Avatar, Christ.
When we talk about God without specifying the concrete meaning of this word, it is often necessary to understand that these words are about the Divine Consciousness represented by the United We of Holy Spirits.
The universal infinite in size and eternal Divine Consciousness is in the process of continuous improvement. This is the essence of God’s Life. This Evolutionary Process is realized through the creation by Him of cosmic “islands” of solid matter in different parts of infinite space. When the conditions, which are favorable for the life of organic bodies, are created on the formed planets, the units of consciousness — souls — begin to be incarnated in these bodies. Their task is to develop themselves from incarnation to incarnation, constantly improving — up to the state of highly developed human souls. And the task of the latter is to grow to the Divinity...
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On the States of God
In the mentality of so many people, God is a formidable Judge, punishing people for their sins.
This opinion prevails among the masses of people who consider themselves… Christians. Although Jesus Christtaught that God is, on the contrary, Love (1 John 4:8, 4:16).
Why is this happening? I believe that this is due to the fact that all those people have no understanding about the essence of God and about His intention concerning us, people.
I have discussed this topic in many previous publications. So now I will limit myself to a very brief summary.
The word God has several meanings:
— The Creator, Whose essence is the United We,consisting of many Holy Spirits, dwelling in the highest spatial dimension, called the Abode of the Creator.
— Absolute — that is the Creator, consubstantial with His Creation.
— The Holy Spirit (Brahman, Te). Although the Holy Spirits are infinite in number, collectively these words are often used in the singular. This arose in connection with the tendency of the Holy Spirits to merge into the United We in the Embrace of Perfect Divine Love. They are former people who have attained the Divine Perfection through successful traineeship from other Holy Spirits — Those Who have already attained Divinity before.
— Also the Holy Spirit, Who is embodied in the material human body, can be called as God. Such Divine Persons are denoted — in different languages — as Messiah, Avatar, Christ.
When we talk about God without specifying the concrete meaning of this word, it is often necessary to understand that these words are about the Divine Consciousness represented by the United We of Holy Spirits.
The universal infinite in size and eternal Divine Consciousness is in the process of continuous improvement. This is the essence of God’s Life. This Evolutionary Process is realized through the creation by Him of cosmic “islands” of solid matter in different parts of infinite space. When the conditions, which are favorable for the life of organic bodies, are created on the formed planets, the units of consciousness — souls — begin to be incarnated in these bodies. Their task is to develop themselves from incarnation to incarnation, constantly improving — up to the state of highly developed human souls. And the task of the latter is to grow to the Divinity...
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Read the whole article:
On the States of God
Good-Ole-Rebel
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One God...yes. God existing as three persons still makes Him one God.
When you say 'Abrahamic scripture', are you considering the New Testament also?
Good-Ole-Rebel
Of course. There isn't on verse in the New Testament that explicitly supports a triune God.
wellwisher
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The unity of the trinity can be understood with an example. A man named Joe is a father to his children, a husband to his wife and a son to his parents. Joe is one person, but he wears three different hats in terms of how he is relates to each of these three situations. He will not talk to his parents like he does his children. He respects his parents, he loves his wife and he teaches his children by words and examples.
The monotheism of the old testament symbolized relating to God in one specific way; God the father. God was a strict but fair teacher. The trinity expanded the numbers of possible relationship with God by two other expressions. If one had a personal savior; inner voice of the Holy Spirit, God was like a confident and friend. Others related to Jesus, as the lamb of God, which is like a baby or baby brother. The expansion of relationship with God was designed to be more inclusive. It added love and friendship to the fear of God.
The monotheism of the old testament symbolized relating to God in one specific way; God the father. God was a strict but fair teacher. The trinity expanded the numbers of possible relationship with God by two other expressions. If one had a personal savior; inner voice of the Holy Spirit, God was like a confident and friend. Others related to Jesus, as the lamb of God, which is like a baby or baby brother. The expansion of relationship with God was designed to be more inclusive. It added love and friendship to the fear of God.
Good-Ole-Rebel
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Understanding of the Trinity doesn't come from 'one verse'. It comes from many verses. The many verses do however support the Trinity. There isn't one verse that declares the Trinity. But, for example, the baptism of Jesus supports the Trinity.
First one must recognize Scripture declared Jesus was God. (Luke 17:15-16) "...glorified God, And fell down on his face at his feet...." (Acts 20:28) "...to feed the church of God,which he hath purchased with his own blood."
(Matt. 3:16-17) "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway...and he saw the Spirit of God descending...And lo a voice from heaven,saying, This is my beloved Son..."
So, you have the Father in Heaven. The Spirit coming down. And Jesus on the Earth.
Three Persons of One Essence...God. Don't ask me for an example. I don't believe any can be made that can describe it. It is impossible to fully understand it. Yet I believe Scripture supports the Trinity.
Stranger
As you probably realise while I believe in God, Jesus and the New Testament, I see the Trinity as a man made doctrine unsupported by scripture. The technical term is Non-Trinitarian. The doctrine of the trinity is useful to consider the relationship between God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. I object the doctrines elevation as an absolute truth. If others want to believe in the trinity, that’s fine. If those others want to use the trinity to distinguish themselves as true believers in Christ and those who reject it in good conscience heretics or non- believers, well ...
Good-Ole-Rebel
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My point was that the Scriptures do support the Trinity. And I believe I provided some that do. Which would mean it is not 'man-made'. All doctrines are the product of many Scriptures, not just one.
If one doesn't want to believe it, that's fine.
Good-Ole-Rebel
r2d2009
Member
The Trinity does not contradict Unity.
There is an original plan of Genesis in which God is the Creator, God the Father ...
There is a Creation in which God manifests Himself in the form of the Holy Spirit on the non-material plane
There is a material plane on which the Divine personality manifests Himself in the human body.
In fact, the Trinity is not a different person of God, but there is the One God, manifested in different ways.
in this regard, I would like to recommend a book where it is described:
Vladimir Antonov
The New Upanishad. Structure and Cognition of the Absolute
http://swami-center.org/en/text/New_Upanishad.html
There is an original plan of Genesis in which God is the Creator, God the Father ...
There is a Creation in which God manifests Himself in the form of the Holy Spirit on the non-material plane
There is a material plane on which the Divine personality manifests Himself in the human body.
In fact, the Trinity is not a different person of God, but there is the One God, manifested in different ways.
in this regard, I would like to recommend a book where it is described:
Vladimir Antonov
The New Upanishad. Structure and Cognition of the Absolute
http://swami-center.org/en/text/New_Upanishad.html
Good-Ole-Rebel
Well-Known Member
The Trinity does not contradict Unity.
There is an original plan of Genesis in which God is the Creator, God the Father ...
There is a Creation in which God manifests Himself in the form of the Holy Spirit on the non-material plane
There is a material plane on which the Divine personality manifests Himself in the human body.
In fact, the Trinity is not a different person of God, but there is the One God, manifested in different ways.
in this regard, I would like to recommend a book where it is described:
Vladimir Antonov
The New Upanishad. Structure and Cognition of the Absolute
The New Upanishad. Structure and Cognition of the Absolute
What you are describing is really no Trinity. It is but One God with relationships. Every man or woman could be said to be a trinity in that regard.
I agree that the Trinity does not contradict the unity of God. But that unity exists with the three Persons of the Godhead.
I, of course, am looking at it from the testimony of the Bible only. But then, isn't that where the Trinity doctrine came from?
Good-Ole-Rebel
r2d2009
Member
For starters, we basically cannot accurately describe spiritual reality with words.
We can only create more accurate or less accurate descriptions, but never fully correspond to reality.
Spiritual reality can be comprehended (cognized) only in practice.
The Trinity as different faces of God is not very accurate.
More precisely, it is one God in different places.
Further discussion usually comes down to a debate about terms ...