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Romans 8:3-7 , contradiction, or affirmation?[saved by faith

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Ephesians 2:8

'Charity',

Is the word in the greek,

[[the word used in the english Bible, is actually a different word in english, not a direct meaning correlation. In other words, a believer knows it means charity, because they already know that salvation is through Faith.

And just means salvation because of the faith.

Not some other concept.

In other words, it's all about faith, [hence because of the Charity, of the offer of salvation.
 
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Take your argument up with the translators, if you feel that because you didn't have the correct belief, you were misguided into a false idea.
 

moorea944

Well-Known Member
John 3:36

You can take your argument up with the Bible, I guess.


Not really sure what your trying to get at today.... Are you saying that salvation is only on belief? Not really sure what your saying here..... Dont forget, salvation is NOT only based on belief. Belief is a start. We have to believe to begin with. We ARE saved by grace in the end. Belief is part of it, but... Jesus NEVER says that it is the ONLY thing you have to do!! Other things save too dont forget. Baptism, truth, faith, endurance, etc.... Salvation is a process, it's not just one thing and "BAM" your saved!! It's a life long walk in our Lord. And.., and i'll sure you'll disagree, you can lose your salvation too. Scripture tells us that many are called but few are chosen. That is a statement about Judgement time when our Lord is back.

And what does "saved" mean for you anyhow?
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Romans 8:3-7
Affirmation of salvation through faith alone?

Ephesians 3:6
Ephesians 1:12
Typical Pauline nonsense, imo

Christians should stick with what Jesus said.

And some 'salvationbyfaith' folks think they can do or say mostly anything in life. Not good.
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Not really sure what your trying to get at today.... Are you saying that salvation is only on belief? Not really sure what your saying here..... Dont forget, salvation is NOT only based on belief. Belief is a start. We have to believe to begin with. We ARE saved by grace in the end. Belief is part of it, but... Jesus NEVER says that it is the ONLY thing you have to do!! Other things save too dont forget. Baptism, truth, faith, endurance, etc.... Salvation is a

I already answered that theory. You misinterpreted a word, because of a translation.
 
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Take your argument up with the translators, if you feel that because you didn't have the correct belief, you were misguided into a false idea.

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Hence this, where I say, take it up with the translators, if you feel that you were misguided, because of a translation, since you didn't know how to interpret that word, because of incorrect belief.

Believers know that it means 'charity', thusly why we read it correctly, and it matches other verses, like

John 3:36
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
You also seem to think that ...
I believe it is not. Salvation is by grace through faith. Without faith the grace means nothing. Without grace faith is in what?
This...
Not really sure what your trying to get at today.... Are you saying that salvation is only on belief? Not really sure what your saying here..... Dont forget, salvation is NOT only based on belief. Belief is a start. We have to believe to begin with. We ARE saved by grace in the end. Belief is part of it, but... Jesus NEVER says that it is the ONLY thing you have to do!! Other things save too dont forget. Baptism, truth, faith, endurance, etc.... Salvation is a process, it's not just one thing and "BAM" your saved!! It's a life long walk in our Lord. And.., and i'll sure you'll disagree, you can lose your salvation too. Scripture tells us that many are called but few are chosen. That is a statement about Judgement time when our Lord is back.

And what does "saved" mean for you anyhow?
Means the same thing, as what you wrote...

Which is sort of bizarre.
 

moorea944

Well-Known Member
This is my beginning statement.


The derivation, thusly, from Scripture.


This is the argument against my premise, using the concept of 'gra.ce', which you agreed with,

My explanation of why that argument is incorrect,


I then explained that that argument, using the word 'gra.ce', is a misinterpretation, of those verses, because the word in the Greek,
example,
Ephesians 2:8

Is actually 'charity', [ not a direct meaning word correlation to 'gra.ce'.


Thusly, salvation, through belief, because of the offer of Salvation.
Which matches , for example

John 3:36



In other words, because of incorrect belief, that word, 'gra.ce', has been misinterpreted, as meaning something other than,

Salavation via faith.


I disagree. Your misinterpreting the word Grace is not correct, again..... I looked it up and i'm not finding anything with charity in it. Charity is not in Eph 2. What do you think Grace is anyhow?

John 3v36 "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life:......." Are you saying that salvation is only based on belief? Belief is only part of salvation. In other words, because of incorrect belief, that word, 'grace', has been misinterpreted. Not sure where you getting your version.
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
I disagree. Your misinterpreting the word Grace is not correct, again..... I looked it up and i'm not finding anything with charity in it. Charity is not in Eph 2. What do you think Grace is anyhow?

John 3v36 "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life:......." Are you saying that salvation is only based on belief? Belief is only part of salvation. In other words, because of incorrect belief, that word, 'grace', has been misinterpreted. Not sure where you getting your version.
Read my original statements again.

'Offer of Salvation', which requires belief.

You are either not reading the discussion, or, misinterpreting things, or something.

'Charity', is the word in Greek, which means an offering of salvation, via belief.

The word in english, the english bible, isn't a direct meaning same meaning word, which is why you have to either know, it means 'charity', real Believers already know that, or, you have to figure that out, with verses like
John 3:36


This doesn't mean that the offer, the Sacrifice, is unconditional. However that isn't what was being argued, so you seem to be misunderstanding the arguments.
 
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moorea944

Well-Known Member
Read my original statements again.

'Offer of Salvation', which requires belief.

You are either not reading the discussion, or, misinterpreting things, or something.

'Charity', is the word in Greek, which means an offering of salvation, via belief.

The word in english, the english bible, isn't a direct meaning same meaning word, which is why you have to either know, it means 'charity', real Believers already know that, or, you have to figure that out, with verses like
John 3:36


This doesn't mean that the offer, the Sacrifice, is unconditional. However that isn't what was being argued, so you seem to be midunderstanding the arguments.


So by charity you are saved through faith?..... does that sound right to you?
Are you using a certain book or website on Greek words and meanings? I'm not seeing it. I"ve checked Strong's and other sites, really not sure where this "charity" is coming from....
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
So by charity you are saved through faith?..... does that sound right to you?
Are you using a certain book or website on Greek words and meanings? I'm not seeing it. I"ve checked Strong's and other sites, really not sure where this "charity" is coming from....
Charity means the 'offering of Salvation', via faith. Note how if one is using an interpretation, based on the word used in the english bible, one can derive bizarre ideas, concerning the interaction between 'Jesus', and the adherents? In other words, you haven't made it clear, what idea you are arguing, so what do you want explained?

'Charity', is in the greek bible, notice how that matches an offer of salvation, based on belief
John 3:36,

and faith, the other verses I presented.
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
I believe it is not. Salvation is by grace through faith. Without faith the grace means nothing. Without grace faith is in what?
This argument, which you agreed with, was presented, as an argument against my statements...
So by charity you are saved through faith?..... does that sound right to you?
Are you using a certain book or website on Greek words and meanings? I'm not seeing it. I"ve checked Strong's and other sites, really not sure where this "charity" is coming from....
Can you explain, why you agreed with that argument, so we know what you mean, by these concepts?

Can you explain why that argument is correct, and my statements, aren't correct, according to you.
 
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