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Judaism and the Garden of Eden?

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susanblange

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sooda said:
Its an allegory.. Instead of trusting in God's providence, Adam and Eve were shifting from hunter-gatherers to agriculture. Note that Cain's sacrificial offering of vegetables was rejected over Abel's offering of meat.
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Cain's offering was rejected by God because it came from the ground and at the time, the ground was cursed. Genesis 3:17, Genesis 5:29, Genesis 8:21. An offering to God from the ground is perfectly acceptable. Fruit is the main part of the Messiah's diet.
 
sooda

sooda

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susanblange said:
Cain's offering was rejected by God because it came from the ground and at the time, the ground was cursed. Genesis 3:17, Genesis 5:29, Genesis 8:21. An offering to God from the ground is perfectly acceptable. Fruit is the main part of the Messiah's diet.
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Why on earth do you think fruit was the basis of Jesus' diet?
 
sooda

sooda

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susanblange said:
Genesis 3:15. The serpent is a phallic symbol of power. A eunuch is called a "dry tree". Isaiah 56:3. Adam's name was changed to Satan when he died and went to Heaven. There is no talking snake or magical fruit. There is enmity between the wicked and the righteous. We are either the seed of Adam/Satan or the seed of Eve/God. Jesus was the second Adam. The true Messiah is the second Eve. Not only was Eve Adam's wife, she was also his daughter. Eve is "the Tree of Life", she bears children and milk is the fruit of the Tree of Life. The holy blood line was continued by Seth. Genesis 4:25.
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What church teaches such things?
 
Wandering Monk

Wandering Monk

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susanblange said:
Cain's offering was rejected by God because it came from the ground and at the time, the ground was cursed. Genesis 3:17, Genesis 5:29, Genesis 8:21. An offering to God from the ground is perfectly acceptable. Fruit is the main part of the Messiah's diet.
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So when did the ground lose the curse? because by Moses' time God commanded grain offerings in the temple.
 
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susanblange

Active Member
sooda said:
Why on earth do you think fruit was the basis of Jesus' diet?
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Jesus was not the Messiah. SOS 2:3, SOS 4:13, SOS 4:16. "...Let my beloved come into his garden, and eat his pleasant fruits". SOS 7:13. "...at our gates are all manner of pleasant fruits, new and old, which I have laid up for thee, O my beloved".
 
Aurelius

Aurelius

Contemplating Living
LightofTruth said:
Jews think the serpent represents man's own inclination towards evil. I think they're right.
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Is it an agreement among all Jews that the serpent is only a metaphor? I'm just curious.

pcarl said:
I think the temptation in the garden represents the temptation of the Israelites while in the Babylonian Exile, which is when it was compiled.
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Do you mind expounding a little more specifically what you mean? I mean about the temptation symbolizing the Israelites in Babylon. Isn't the Genesis narrative that they were successfully tempted and deceived? Do you have an idea in mind for how this would relate to Israel?
 
sooda

sooda

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susanblange said:
Jesus was not the Messiah. SOS 2:3, SOS 4:13, SOS 4:16. "...Let my beloved come into his garden, and eat his pleasant fruits". SOS 7:13. "...at our gates are all manner of pleasant fruits, new and old, which I have laid up for thee, O my beloved".
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In that region of the world, lentils, whole grains, fruits, vegetables, pomegranates, dates, nuts and fish were all quite popular. .. some even ate grasshoppers as a source of protein. .

Song of Solomon is very much like Egyptian and Mesopotamian poems.
 
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susanblange

Active Member
sooda said:
What church teaches such things?
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I do not belong to any church. I was raised Christian but I converted to Judaism about 36 years ago. I practice my own flavor of Judaism and I call it "Biblical Judaism". I am a Fundamentalist and most of my theology and doctrine is original.
 
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susanblange

Active Member
Wandering Monk said:
So when did the ground lose the curse? because by Moses' time God commanded grain offerings in the temple.
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The curse was lifted by Noah's flood. Genesis 8:21. "...and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake..." The rainbow was the sign of this covenant.
 
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pearl

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Aurelius said:
Do you mind expounding a little more specifically what you mean? I mean about the temptation symbolizing the Israelites in Babylon. Isn't the Genesis narrative that they were successfully tempted and deceived? Do you have an idea in mind for how this would relate to Israel?
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The Genesis account took shape during the Babylonian Exile, Israel had lost its land and its temple. In that time and culture the experience must have been incomprehensible, the God of Israel vanquished and they abandoned. In time, through the prophets etc God had not abandon them. Israel had to find its own form, over and against the Babylon with is religion and its creation account, Enuma Elish. Israel may have used the form but gave it new content and its own creation account which is symbolic.
 
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