Would you vote for Trump in 2020?

wellwisher · Sep 1, 2019

After Trump wins in 2020, his daughter Ivanka can run in 2024. She would become the first female president, with her dad, made Chief of Staff and Press Secretary. This way we can have another two terms of Donald Trump in the White House. Her new slogan can be Maintain American Greatness.

PruePhillip · Sep 1, 2019

Aurelius said:
I'm voting the no Trump option. Whatever that is. The Democrat would have to be uniquely terrible to keep me home on election day.

As things stand- there isn't one of the Democratic candidates I wouldn't prefer to have for president rather than Trump.

Wot if its someone who wants America to open to mass immigration, tax businesses out
of existence, create a welfare state, have the nation ruled by PC Nazis, shut down all the
power generation and called the blackout "Greenouts", let China do what it wants in Asia,
the Pacific, Indian Ocean and even with American businesses. Kow tow to every jihadis
etc.. There's a lot of this in the Democrats.
Remember, the Democrats were pro-slavery, pro-KKK and pro-segregation. I wouldn't
trust them - particularly when they blame their failures upon Republicans, "Americans"
and "whites."

averageJOE · Sep 1, 2019

The DNC would rather lose the White House again to Trump than win it with Bernie Sanders.

Aurelius · Sep 1, 2019

PruePhillip said:
Wot if its someone who wants America to open to mass immigration

False flag. As Republicans are often fond of pointing out to Trump critics> Obama was the king of deportations when it comes to illegal immigration.

tax businesses out of existence

Example of this please? Not reactionary rhetoric.

create a welfare state

Ironic, given blue states have less welfare recipients than say- solid red Mississippi.

have the nation ruled by PC Nazis

Right-wing rhetoric revisited...

shut down all the power generation and called the blackout "Greenouts"

What?

let China do what it wants in Asia

What? It was mainly Democratic efforts that had China on any kind of positive route toward true democracy. Trump destructed years of our work and brought about President for Life Xi. Once the Chinese saw America could no longer be depended on as a reliable ally. Unfortunately, what many of our allies also see now.

PruePhillip · Sep 2, 2019

Aurelius said:
False flag. As Republicans are often fond of pointing out to Trump critics> Obama was the king of deportations when it comes to illegal immigration.
Example of this please? Not reactionary rhetoric.
Ironic, given blue states have less welfare recipients than say- solid red Mississippi.
Right-wing rhetoric revisited...
What? It was mainly Democratic efforts that had China on any kind of positive route toward true democracy. Trump destructed years of our work and brought about President for Life Xi. Once the Chinese saw America could no longer be depended on as a reliable ally. Unfortunately, what many of our allies also see now.

Aurelius said:
False flag. As Republicans are often fond of pointing out to Trump critics> Obama was the king of deportations when it comes to illegal immigration.
What? It was mainly Democratic efforts that had China on any kind of positive route toward true democracy. Trump destructed years of our work and brought about President for Life Xi. Once the Chinese saw America could no longer be depended on as a reliable ally. Unfortunately, what many of our allies also see now.

My issue isn't with Obama, or Clinton or any other recent Democrat - it's with where the party
appears to be heading. I don't know how many Obama deported - but there's this left wing
philosophy in Australia, UK and America which points to open borders. Completely open borders
because if we allow a billion "refugees" in and there's a billion and one refugees, then shutting out
that last African Muslim girl is "racist" and "sexist" and "Islamophobic."
THIS is my big issue with the Western Left - the old Marxists have failed, so now we have the new
Cultural Marxist. Not actually new, they remind me of the old Heidelberg School of Marxists.
And Trump has cleverly, or more likely, accidentally, cast the gang of four as the face of the new
Democrats. He's wrong, but I fear in some ways, he's right.

metis · Sep 2, 2019

PruePhillip said:
My understanding (correct me if I am wrong) is that Iran had a time limit on its adherence to this treaty.
What was it? Ten, fifteen years? After this it could do whatever it wanted. Like China, Iran simply had to
play the long game. America thinks in four or eight year cycles.

It was 10, and the plan was to renegotiate near the end of that term because conditions can and often do change. If they then went "rogue", our allies and us could have gone "rogue" back at them.

Now we have upset our allies, and Iran is now enriching at higher levels, so not only didn't we gain anything, we actually have lost ground.

metis · Sep 2, 2019

PruePhillip said:
My issue isn't with Obama, or Clinton or any other recent Democrat - it's with where the party
appears to be heading. I don't know how many Obama deported - but there's this left wing
philosophy in Australia, UK and America which points to open borders. Completely open borders
because if we allow a billion "refugees" in and there's a billion and one refugees, then shutting out
that last African Muslim girl is "racist" and "sexist" and "Islamophobic."
THIS is my big issue with the Western Left - the old Marxists have failed, so now we have the new
Cultural Marxist. Not actually new, they remind me of the old Heidelberg School of Marxists.
And Trump has cleverly, or more likely, accidentally, cast the gang of four as the face of the new
Democrats. He's wrong, but I fear in some ways, he's right.

The vast majority of Dems, including congressional Dems, are not at all for "open borders", even though some of the talking heads at Fox say they are.

Secondly, as has been explained to you, no Dem candidate that is running has said that we shouldn't deport those coming in illegally. What they have said is that we need to legally evaluate and grant asylum for those who may qualify.

Finally, none of those running for pres are "Cultural Marxists", so where dd you pick this up? What are you reading or listening to? Maybe check out some new sources because what you're posting simply is wrong. I always use multiple sources-- even including Fox. .

PruePhillip · Sep 2, 2019

metis said:
The vast majority of Dems, including congressional Dems, are not at all for "open borders", even though some of the talking heads at Fox say they are.

Secondly, as has been explained to you, no Dem candidate that is running has said that we shouldn't deport those coming in illegally. What they have said is that we need to legally evaluate and grant asylum for those who may qualify.

Finally, none of those running for pres are "Cultural Marxists", so where dd you pick this up? What are you reading or listening to? Maybe check out some new sources because what you're posting simply is wrong. I always use multiple sources-- even including Fox. .

Just Google "Frankfurt School"
I think I wrote "Heidelberg" before - that's our art group!!!
We have in Australia a groundswell of sentiment for a Sri Lankan family being deported.
People play on the sentiment. Sri Lanka is not at war and their "refugees" just want a better
life. Fair enough - but some years ago the numbers of "refugees" was rising ten fold every
two or three years, until it was stopped dead.
And this is the problem with America. I could see the whole of Sth America heading to the
USA as their economies fail to grow. And they will bring with them the mentality that was
responsible for that lack of growth. It's been said that the further away your immigrant was,
the better he will be.

PruePhillip · Sep 2, 2019

metis said:
It was 10, and the plan was to renegotiate near the end of that term because conditions can and often do change. If they then went "rogue", our allies and us could have gone "rogue" back at them.

Now we have upset our allies, and Iran is now enriching at higher levels, so not only didn't we gain anything, we actually have lost ground.

I accept your point. But at ten years Iran would be so much closer to the nuke
that it wouldn't matter if the West went rogue on them.
It's a sad fact that nuclear weapons will be a standard in every armies arsenal,
just like the machine gun, feared by some many, ultimately became. And worse,
maybe the use of them won't even be headlines anymore.

metis · Sep 2, 2019

PruePhillip said:
But at ten years Iran would be so much closer to the nuke
that it wouldn't matter if the West went rogue on them.

Not if they continued to adhere to the limitations set by the agreement, and they were complying even according to our own inspectors. After ten years, who knows what would happen.

PruePhillip said:
It's a sad fact that nuclear weapons will be a standard in every armies arsenal,
just like the machine gun, feared by some many, ultimately became. And worse,
maybe the use of them won't even be headlines anymore.

Here I agree with you, as it seems we may only be buying time.

metis · Sep 2, 2019

PruePhillip said:
Just Google "Frankfurt School"
I think I wrote "Heidelberg" before - that's our art group!!!
We have in Australia a groundswell of sentiment for a Sri Lankan family being deported.
People play on the sentiment. Sri Lanka is not at war and their "refugees" just want a better
life. Fair enough - but some years ago the numbers of "refugees" was rising ten fold every
two or three years, until it was stopped dead.
And this is the problem with America. I could see the whole of Sth America heading to the
USA as their economies fail to grow. And they will bring with them the mentality that was
responsible for that lack of growth. It's been said that the further away your immigrant was,
the better he will be.

Both of our countries were made up of immigrants, including many that didn't come legally, and it seems to have worked out quite well with both of us. Here in the States, we actually need more whom are willing to work in jobs many other Americans simply don't want to do.

However, let me just repeat that I am not for "open borders".

Saint Frankenstein · Sep 18, 2019

Laika said:
This is a simple, straight forward and anonymous poll. Feel free to explain your answer if you wish.

Any thoughts?

(Voted I’m not a U.S. citizen)

I may consider it if one of the establishment Dems like Biden (who likely has dementia) is the Democratic nominee. At that point, the Dems will deserve to be destroyed in the election. I'm voting for Tulsi Gabbard in the primaries.

Epic Beard Man · Sep 25, 2019

averageJOE said:
The DNC would rather lose the White House again to Trump than win it with Bernie Sanders.

This

Riders · Sep 27, 2019

I hate to say it I said I would vote Democrat Yes I know I come off as liberal for

Democrats but trully I'd rather vote Libertarian.I don't Like Democrats as much as I put on. But I hate Trump. Not the Republican party just Trump

So I will probably just vote Democrat as the best way to get rid of Trump.

All the talk of Dens around here saying Democrats should focus on the good they should do instead of Trump and that's how we will win

I hate to say it but I disagree.

I think many of us who vote Democrat will simply be voting against Trump.

Would you vote for Trump in 2020?

Would you vote for Donald J. Trump in 2020?

Yes. Absolutely. Make America Great Again!

Maybe. It Depends

No. I would probably vote for a Democrat

No. I would probably vote for a Third Party or Independent

No. I probably won’t vote in 2020

I’m not eligible or registered to vote

Undecided

I’m not a U.S. citizen

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