I have already retracted my "impossible for what I believe to be wrong" statement several times.
Could you direct me to where you retracted the statement?
Why do you keep contradicting me? I told you that if you can prove that Baha’u’llah was a liar, con-man or delusional I will admit I am wrong about the Baha’i Faith.
You said it was impossible "in your mind" for what you believe about Baha'u'llah to be false. That is what you wrote, and you have never once said "Actually, I retract that, it is possible for what I believe to be false".
So what if I presumed you were an atheist? It was an honest mistake and it means nothing negative because I have no issue with atheists. If I was wrong all you have to do is say that.
I
am an atheist.
The question is why you presumed I was an atheist (despite me not talking about my beliefs) and why you brought it up.
Explain why I cannot have absolute justification for my beliefs. Do I tell you what you need for justification of your beliefs?
For the same reasons that you cannot claim that it is impossible for you to be wrong while also claiming to be open-minded or express the possibility of being wrong. If you honestly think your beliefs are "absolutely" justified, it expresses a lack of honest doubt and skepticism that indicates that you are not considering your beliefs rationally.
And calling me a liar is not offensive and disgusting?
I've not once called you a liar. What I did was point out something you said that was a lie. It's demonstrably a lie. You said:
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"I never said it is impossible that I am wrong, I said it seems like it would be impossible."
Are you telling me that the above statement is true?
I said: “If you misrepresent me again or contradict what I have clearly said you won’t hear from me again. IF you are so arrogant you are not even aware that is what you have been doing, that is not my problem. I did not come here to play psychologist.”
That was not about your mental health.
It is casting an insinuation that there is something wrong with my mental health, and that I need a psychologist.
All I meant is that I am not here to try to figure out why you misrepresent me and contradict me. It is not a mental health problem; if anything, it is a spiritual problem to think you know more about a person than they know about themselves, but I do not want to go over that again. Why not just let it go, forgive and forget and move on?
The real question is why you feel the need to misrepresent me (such as claiming that I called you liar, or that I am an atheist before you knew I was) or feel the need to distort your own words (such as denying that you ever claimed it was impossible for what you believe to be false).
I will apologize for calling you arrogant, but you should apologize for calling me a liar, more than once. You are lucky I did not report you for that. Calling someone a liar is against the rules on all forums I post on.
Please quote one time I have called you a liar.
I have to go to work now. I might answer the rest of your post later, but if you come back and contradict me again you won’t hear from me again, so IF your goal is to find out why I believe what I believe, you won’t contradict me again, as noted above.
Again, it is not impossible for what I believe to be wrong.
Then can you FINALLY just admit that what you wrote earlier was wrong? Why has it taken this long for you to do so?
I am wrong if Baha’u’llah was a liar, a con-man, or delusional, but you would have to prove that in order for me to admit I am wrong.
Again, I'll do that when you prove my cousin is not a genie.
I will remind you that this is just a forum, it is not real life. I can walk away anytime I choose to. I have my own forum so I do not really even have time to be posting on this forum right now because I have lots of “real life” things going on that I should be tending to.
That's fine, and I do genuinely appreciate people taking the time to post here, even if I find what they post to be personally frustrating. But you have to meet me in the middle on this, because at the moment it appears you want everything on your terms and aren't willing to entertain any other perspective. If you honestly and critically evaluate some of the things you have said to me, you would realize why it would give the impression that you are less open-minded than you would like to appear to be. I simply invite you, if you truly wish to portray yourself as open minded, to avoid falling into those same pitfalls in future.
If you truly do simply believe as you believe with as much conviction as you do, but you do not feel you can adequately elucidate the reasons for this conviction to somebody outside of your personal experiences, that's fine. I don't find that
personally satisfactory, but your beliefs (and, indeed, the truth about reality) are under no any requirement to mold themselves to my personal standard. I understand that this is true of my position, as much as it is of anyone else's. But where I believe common ground can be found, I seek it out, and when I find that such a gap between my understanding and another person's perception becomes unbridgeable, it generally produces friction. I just want to know if you can understand why I have found your personal testimony unconvincing, even if you believe it is absolutely so. I get that I may not come across like this a lot of the time, and I apologize if you felt I have just been nothing but dismissive or contradictory of your beliefs, but please try to understand what it is about your own words that may have driven me to write the things that I have written.
