Are "black" Americans owed something besides the protection provided by the same laws ...

ecco said:

Some of the descendants of slavers are also descendants of the slaves of the slavers.


See Jefferson/Hemmings.

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Generally, the illegitimate children of slavers and women they owned as slaves ended up as slaves themselves, not heirs to the slaver's estate.

Revoltingest said:

Aye, recovering stolen property is often difficult or impossible.
Been there & done that.

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Well, that counts for nothing
once someone has posted the first
cutnpaste they found.

Nowhere Man said:

I would always ask who stole it? And are the original owners still around in order to give it back?

Borders change all the time. And as far as I'm concerned I've had my land stolen by the Socialist Democrats as I certainly don't feel like a true owner of my property that that my wife and I paid for.

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Say what ya like, ya swab!! I say, let the reparationists give
their land back. They wont even say why they wont.

ecco said:

How Pawnshops Work

• Every day, the pawnbroker must submit a list of all merchandise received, including serial numbers, to the police. The police compare the serial numbers against records of stolen merchandise. Anything stolen is recovered this way and returned to the owner. Why do they do this? If a stolen item is found in a pawnshop and the item was not reported to the police by the pawnshop when it came in, the pawnbroker can be charged with receiving stolen merchandise.

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Terrif. Now go find out what really happens.

Check how well East Indians do in the USA
and explain how their dark skin ruined their lives

Audie said:

Examples?

(oh, and "whites". I dont have to contribute, then?)

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Research the examples for yourself you might learn something, and I don't have a set classification for white and that's a problem many ethnicities are considered white based off of a wide range of skin color. You should at least contribute by pushing for equal rights and treatment. I do this for Minorites, Women and Children every chance I get with my congressmen. People identifying as white male are probably the most bias group yet they are the most in charge.

Sitting in a bar with my work mates white males from Texas they started going off on the Mexicans terribly, I showed them a picture of my El Salvadorian wife, they didn't talk to me the rest of the week.

At a dinner with my director white male, 2nd level management talking about the new interviewees for a technical repair position2 were woman. He said as long as he was director none of his mangers would hire a woman.

Working with a Black female supervisor who I respected she was put on special assignment. The company paid her 6 months to not work if she signed a paper not to sue. I found out from a high level manager the Customers did not like working with a Black Female. That's all she did wrong, hey she got 6 months pay for doing nothing that should be good enough(sarcastically).

I could go on being a typical white looking male, white males in private see me as a compadre.

9-10ths_Penguin said:

Why do you think the descendants of slavers should be entitled to the proceeds from slavery?

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It is a totally moot point. The Southern plantation owners who owned most of the slaves were financially destroyed by the civil war. They lost most of whatever they had.

Reconstruction finished the job.

The actual slavers who brought the slaves from Africa were a tiny few., I don´t know exactly their fate, but I doubt they were left with much after the war and reconstruction.

You are chasing a chimera. No one is owed anything because of events 150 years ago.

The entire concept is ridiculous

Audie said:

Say what ya like, ya swab!! I say, let the reparationists give
their land back. They wont even say why they wont.

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I wonder what would happen if I built my own Casino on my own land?

David1967 said:

I'm a little bit Native American, so does that mean I get a little bit of land back?

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That means you get to live on a reservation in new America.

bobhikes said:

Research the examples for yourself you might learn something, and I don't have a set classification for white and that's a problem many ethnicities are considered white based off of a wide range of skin color. You should at least contribute by pushing for equal rights and treatment. I do this for Minorites, Women and Children every chance I get with my congressmen. People identifying as white male are probably the most bias group yet they are the most in charge.

Sitting in a bar with my work mates white males from Texas they started going off on the Mexicans terribly, I showed them a picture of my El Salvadorian wife, they didn't talk to me the rest of the week.

At a dinner with my director white male, 2nd level management talking about the new interviewees for a technical repair position2 were woman. He said as long as he was director none of his mangers would hire a woman.

Working with a Black female supervisor who I respected she was put on special assignment. The company paid her 6 months to not work if she signed a paper not to sue. I found out from a high level manager the Customers did not like working with a Black Female. That's all she did wrong, hey she got 6 months pay for doing nothing that should be good enough(sarcastically).

I could go on being a typical white looking male, white males in private see me as a compadre.

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Those are examples! We sure live in different situations.

Nowhere Man said:

I wonder what would happen if I built my own Casino on my own land?

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Sounds like a gamble

bobhikes said:

Research the examples for yourself you might learn something, and I don't have a set classification for white and that's a problem many ethnicities are considered white based off of a wide range of skin color. You should at least contribute by pushing for equal rights and treatment. I do this for Minorites, Women and Children every chance I get with my congressmen. People identifying as white male are probably the most bias group yet they are the most in charge.

Sitting in a bar with my work mates white males from Texas they started going off on the Mexicans terribly, I showed them a picture of my El Salvadorian wife, they didn't talk to me the rest of the week.

At a dinner with my director white male, 2nd level management talking about the new interviewees for a technical repair position2 were woman. He said as long as he was director none of his mangers would hire a woman.

Working with a Black female supervisor who I respected she was put on special assignment. The company paid her 6 months to not work if she signed a paper not to sue. I found out from a high level manager the Customers did not like working with a Black Female. That's all she did wrong, hey she got 6 months pay for doing nothing that should be good enough(sarcastically).

I could go on being a typical white looking male, white males in private see me as a compadre.

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Yes. This is why I support corrective (or affirmative) laws. Minorities have to suffer against lots of discriminatory behaviour in work, social and personal life because lots of people are nasty and biased against them, excluding them from opportunities of participation and growth.

Curious George said:

That means you get to live on a reservation in new America.

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They've been replaced by casinos.

truelight Mike said:

Are "black" Americans owed something by "white" Americans or the government other than the protection provided by the same laws that provide protection for the rest of American citizens?

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No to reparations. Dems are buying votes with government money.

Nowhere Man said:

This is an old Opie but I like to answer it by stating the only thing we owe to African Americans is equal access to proper education and opportunity. Reparations are pure b******* only because the affected people are now long gone and dead now.

If you could find a living slave today from the Civil War then of course, I would be glad to make an exception. Are there any?

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I don´t think so. I offered them a billion $ and none showed up.

It is interesting in that the history of reconstruction doesn´t seem to show a demand for money from ex slaves. Their goals were the vote and equal opportunity.

They also knew first hand how the South and slave owners were destroyed as a result of the war that gave them their freedom. There was nothing left to give.

So called reparations are based upon a totally false narrative and doesn´t seem to be something the ex slaves were interested in. After all, only they were the victims of the most ungodly crime, next to murder, that can be committed.

David1967 said:

They've been replaced by casinos.

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Yes. I grew up next to the smallest Indian reservation in America, one mile square. Those folk lived in poverty, tumbledown shacks.

Then they built a casino. Every member of the tiny tribe are multi millionaires. Their homes on the reservation are gorgeous mansions.

The whites in the area rush to the casino to lose their money, constantly.

The Indians are laughing, there are many ways to WIN.

shmogie said:

It is interesting in that the history of reconstruction doesn´t seem to show a demand for money from ex slaves. Their goals were the vote and equal opportunity.

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Many freed people believed, after being told by various political figures, that they had a right to own the land they had long worked as slaves, and were eager to control their own property. Freed people widely expected to legally claim 40 acres of land (a quarter-quarter section) and a mule after the end of the war.

Forty acres and a mule - Wikipedia

9-10ths_Penguin said:

Many freed people believed, after being told by various political figures, that they had a right to own the land they had long worked as slaves, and were eager to control their own property. Freed people widely expected to legally claim 40 acres of land (a quarter-quarter section) and a mule after the end of the war.

Forty acres and a mule - Wikipedia

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Freed people may have expected many things, some based upon political statements by those unable to bring them about.

Sherman, a great and fearsome warrior, made mistakes after the war was won. One was his field order, which he was not empowered to issue.

My point was that There were very few demands from the freed slaves for payment of some kind for being slaves,

Reconstruction was a very difficult time. The Union had to be restored, not just on paper, but in actuality.

Lincoln led the way with his terms through Grant to Lee and Lee´s army at the Appomatix court house.

Reconciliation with the Southern white population, and restoration to them of their rights as full citizens of the US.

This was more than just generosity, it was pragmatic. Lincoln Knew that punishment, confiscation , redistribution, and occupation as a conquering military force would lead to the war continuing indefinately as an assymetrical war, like Afghanistan today, that would continually disrupt the Republic and effect it horribly financially.

This is what the South expected, this is what their firebrands predicted, and LIncolns policy took all the wind out of their sails.

Was this policy unfair to the freed slaves who many feel should have gotten a piece of the pie ? Perhaps.

After the reconstruction troops were withdrawn, the Blacks in the South once again were burdened with unfair laws and ill treatment. Consider how very much worse it would have been if w
white property was divided up and given to them.

Perpetual war.

A simple voluntary solution....
Any white people who feel guilty may give money to the black people of their choice.

Revoltingest said:

A simple voluntary solution....
Any white people who feel guilty may give money to the black people of their choice.

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Perfect ! After they cough up a Black Catholic Bishop could give them absolution, fleeced and forgiven.

What more could a guilt ridden white masochist want ?