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UK Parliament may be suspended from early September

Altfish

Veteran Member
It's not the laws themselves; it's the fact that a separate entity is meddling in our legal system. I'm not alright with that.
It's up to us to adopt those laws, and invariably we do because they are good laws. Although in the case of prisoner voting rights we haven't.

Once again though - no one has given me a specific law that they want repealing.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Brexit was supposed to have happened nearly six months ago.

Whatever needs to be done to do it to stop parliament effectively just filibustering, do it. We've had two years to do a deal or whatever and look where we are - we are literally no further to that goal. It's all parliament's fault, so now all he's wanting to do is shut parliament up so something can actually happen.

If you support the democratic process and disagree with this, then I guess we can take another two years doing absolutely ****ing nothing about Brexit, since that's what's already happened.
MPs are part of the democratic process, too.

Johnson's prime ministership - who has never faced an election as a party leader - is not.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member

Full details from the Guardian.

Any thoughts? Do you think this is the right response for Brexit? Or is it a threat to Parliaments ability to represent the public?

The only silver lining I see in this horrible mess, is that it will probably deter the others from doing the same.

Ciao

- viole
 

Rival

se Dex me saut.
Staff member
Premium Member
Would you class yourself as a bit more right-wing than on the left? And perhaps mix with others similar?

What do you think the 'unskilled' labour are doing in the UK? NHS, crop-pickers, jobs that others will not take (wages too low)?

Do you remember the fishing war with Iceland? We can't actually police our waters, so getting out of the EU will most likely put us in a worse situation than it already is.

Our legislation might actually be rather backward. Why so insistent on prisoners having no vote when the punishment they receive is being deprived of their liberty not being deprived of being human. And if you actually want to rehabilitate people rather than just show your rage at them (as in punish as much as we can), then what do you expect of them in the future if you treat them so. It seems to me that what they do in other European countries is rather more humane, and more forward thinking. Our age of criminal responsibility also reflects this compared with that in other countries.

Join more with the USA? How can that make us better, apart from being their lap-dog?

I think it is either your age or your political leanings that form your views (or both). The EU is and hardly has been at all perfect but it seems to me that cooperating with a larger group intent on becoming better together is a more worthwhile thing than insisting Britain can do it all alone - which it can but perhaps not as well as with others.

I voted to remain because overall I thought it a better choice.

Let's face it, Cameron cocked it up, not thinking that Leave would win. Corbyn aided and abetted this (dithering and fence-sitting), and nothing was done seriously to think about and put the appropriate options to the public. It has been a farce from the start, with most of the blame falling to the Tories although Corbyn has played his role beautifully - in helping to create the mess we are now in. :oops:

Pretty accurate :D

@Laika

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viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
I don't really agree with your apocalyptic vision here. I also see no reason why the EU need be our biggest trading partner when we have the Anglophone community, Japan, India and Russia and many more to do deals with. This just isn't going to be the end of the world that people seem to think it is.

Good luck.

Assuming you will really leave, which I doubt.

Ciao

- viole
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
@Rival

Not to be that guy but why are you liking the posts of the Forum fascist when he goes on about supposed Freemasons and the Banking Elite infiltrating Parliament?
Do you seriously not realise who he means by that?
Seriously not?

You are agreeing with someone who wants to cleanse his country of aforementioned "infiltrators".

Seriously wtf.
 

Rival

se Dex me saut.
Staff member
Premium Member
@Rival

Not to be that guy but why are you liking the posts of the Forum fascist when he goes on about supposed Freemasons and the Banking Elite infiltrating Parliament?
Do you seriously not realise who he means by that?
Seriously not?

You are agreeing with someone who wants to cleanse his country of aforementioned "infiltrators".

Seriously wtf.
I agreed with,

There must be the crime of High Treason in Britain , I suppose. When you serve the interests of a foreign entity, and not of your own country.

Not the first part.

I think someone in government should be held accountable for this mess.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
@Rival

Not to be that guy but why are you liking the posts of the Forum fascist when he goes on about supposed Freemasons and the Banking Elite infiltrating Parliament?
Do you seriously not realise who he means by that?
Seriously not?

You are agreeing with someone who wants to cleanse his country of aforementioned "infiltrators".

Seriously wtf.
Ich bin eine Frau.
Respekt, Bitte sehr
 

Rival

se Dex me saut.
Staff member
Premium Member
Sure thing Benito.




So you think the Tories are going to lock up Mogg, Farage and all the others who are going to make quite some money on the UK crashing out?
Because that's the kind of treason you are worried about.
I just find it incomprehensible that anyone in government would put the E.U. before the U.K.

Then again, they do what makes money not what they value.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
And btw I have
The right
To say Banking elites and Freemasonry are harmful entities towards the common good
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
All I can say is that I'm glad that we Americans had our "Brexit" back in 1776.
Not only that,
But my ancestors were Irish folks who fled the British imperialism of the 19th century.
Check out "A Modest Proposal".

There's a bit of schadenfreude in watching the Brits shove sharp objects up their imperialist bums.

That's what it looks to me like they're doing.
Oh well. Que sera, sera.

A small minority of Brits voted for something without knowing what it was. That leaves the EU holding all the cards, despite British delusions of grandeur. EU doesn't have to agree that whatever Boris thinks that they should, they're motivated to refuse any deal.
Because after October 31st, the EU membership can vote for anything they want. And Brits are stuck with the consequences. So I expect the EU to take care of EU members and screw the British every time is in their interests to do so.

Am I missing something?
Tom
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
If the Queen were to refuse her PMs request, it would be the end of the monarchy - now that would be good, but I suspect self-preservation will come first.
I for one can hardly blame Queen Elizabeth II for not wanting to choose between the Prime Minister and the Parliament.

It would be good to be BoJo taken down a peg. But he is not worth of the Queen's sacrifice.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Not only that,
But my ancestors were Irish folks who fled the British imperialism of the 19th century.
Check out "A Modest Proposal".

There's a bit of schadenfreude in watching the Brits shove sharp objects up their imperialist bums.

That's what it looks to me like they're doing.
Oh well. Que sera, sera.

A small minority of Brits voted for something without knowing what it was. That leaves the EU holding all the cards, despite British delusions of grandeur. EU doesn't have to agree that whatever Boris thinks that they should, they're motivated to refuse any deal.
Because after October 31st, the EU membership can vote for anything they want. And Brits are stuck with the consequences. So I expect the EU to take care of EU members and screw the British every time is in their interests to do so.

Am I missing something?
Tom
Just that Boris Johnson and company are willing to sacrifice the hardly earned peace of the Good Friday Agreements in order to further their greed and vanity.

There are also considerations to be made about the lack of criteria in the actions of Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn, but I guess that matters little now.
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
I just find it incomprehensible that anyone in government would put the E.U. before the U.K.

You mean the current government? They are putting the issue of leaving the EU, come what may, on some arbitrary date, before the very existence of the UK. How long do you think Scotland and Northern Ireland are going to say after a no-deal?
 

Rival

se Dex me saut.
Staff member
Premium Member
You mean the current government? They are putting the issue of leaving the EU, come what may, on some arbitrary date, before the very existence of the UK. How long do you think Scotland and Northern Ireland are going to say after a no-deal?
I'm not bothered if they stay. They can leave if they want and I'd continue to support my country, England.
 
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