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JECONIAH & THE CURSE

Bob Jones

Bob Jones

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This curse is the second passage of the bible which clearly states that Jesus is not the Messiah because he was connected to King David. I can find no where in the bible where the curse was abated. The ridicules genealogy of Matthew (which totally excludes the mothers) clearly connects Jesus with the house of David, thus disqualifying Jesus. Where in the bible has this curse been either abated or terminated?
Curse Jeremiah 22:28-30
 
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susanblange

Active Member
Bob Jones said:
This curse is the second passage of the bible which clearly states that Jesus is not the Messiah because he was connected to King David. I can find no where in the bible where the curse was abated. The ridicules genealogy of Matthew (which totally excludes the mothers) clearly connects Jesus with the house of David, thus disqualifying Jesus. Where in the bible has this curse been either abated or terminated?
Curse Jeremiah 22:28-30
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The Messiah will be a descendant of David, but not thru Jeconiah. All of his descendants were excluded from reigning on the throne of David. Jeremiah 22:30. Jesus was a descendant of Jeconiah. Matthew 1:11. Joseph was also Jesus' father. Matthew 1:16, but Christians deny this. Any way you look at it, Jesus cannot be the Messiah
 
74x12

74x12

Well-Known Member
Bob Jones said:
This curse is the second passage of the bible which clearly states that Jesus is not the Messiah because he was connected to King David. I can find no where in the bible where the curse was abated. The ridicules genealogy of Matthew (which totally excludes the mothers) clearly connects Jesus with the house of David, thus disqualifying Jesus. Where in the bible has this curse been either abated or terminated?
Curse Jeremiah 22:28-30
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People already know that Coniah was cursed so that his descendants would never prosper again in Jerusalem as kings. This was so far fulfilled that even though Zerubbabel (his descendant) became governor he was not the king. However this brings up an objection to Jesus' claims as the "Messiah" and King of Israel. How can Jesus reign if He is descendant of Coniah? Which apparently He is. But Jesus never claimed to be King on the earth. Actually He refused to be made King. (John 6:15) And instead told Pilate that His Kingdom was not of this world. (John 18:36)

However one day Jesus will reign on the earth. So Jesus taught us to pray "Our Father which art in heaven, hallowed by thy name, thy kingdom come, they will be done on earth as it is in heaven" So then the curse of Coniah must be done away for this to occur.

But that's just the thing that Jesus did. He died hanging on a tree. Taking the curse that was written in the Torah. (Deuteronomy 21:23) Taking the stripes for the back of fools. (Proverbs 19:29) And even the curse of the ground on His head. (Genesis 3:17-18) By dying, He put all these curses to death in His own body. (Colossians 2:14) So it's no surprise that He also put the curse of Coniah to death in His own body. As people already know; they dressed Jesus as King of the Jews before He died to mock Him; but it turns out He may have been taking the curse of Coniah upon Himself. As they truly proclaimed Him King of the Jews. Herod the supposed king; in mockery of Christ gave up the right of Kingship for the One that God had truly chosen. Even Rome consented that Christ was the true King and Pilate ignored Herod's superficial claims to the throne by having Jesus proclaimed "King of the Jews".

So it's no surprise that king Jeconiah before he went to Babylon must have worn a crown of gold. But because of the curse; Jesus wore a crown of thorns. A visible symbol of the tarnished and cursed kingship of the Line of David. "that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing;" But Jesus' resurrection changes all that. For God says "Behold, I make all things new" And Jesus is the Chief Cornerstone of all the new creation of God. David's line is restored in Him once and for all.

"For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him." (2 Corinthians 5:21)
 
Shaul

Shaul

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Premium Member
74x12 said:
People already know that Coniah was cursed so that his descendants would never prosper again in Jerusalem as kings. This was so far fulfilled that even though Zerubbabel (his descendant) became governor he was not the king. However this brings up an objection to Jesus' claims as the "Messiah" and King of Israel. How can Jesus reign if He is descendant of Coniah? Which apparently He is. But Jesus never claimed to be King on the earth. Actually He refused to be made King. (John 6:15) And instead told Pilate that His Kingdom was not of this world. (John 18:36)

However one day Jesus will reign on the earth. So Jesus taught us to pray "Our Father which art in heaven, hallowed by thy name, thy kingdom come, they will be done on earth as it is in heaven" So then the curse of Coniah must be done away for this to occur.

But that's just the thing that Jesus did. He died hanging on a tree. Taking the curse that was written in the Torah. (Deuteronomy 21:23) Taking the stripes for the back of fools. (Proverbs 19:29) And even the curse of the ground on His head. (Genesis 3:17-18) By dying, He put all these curses to death in His own body. (Colossians 2:14) So it's no surprise that He also put the curse of Coniah to death in His own body. As people already know; they dressed Jesus as King of the Jews before He died to mock Him; but it turns out He may have been taking the curse of Coniah upon Himself. As they truly proclaimed Him King of the Jews. Herod the supposed king; in mockery of Christ gave up the right of Kingship for the One that God had truly chosen. Even Rome consented that Christ was the true King and Pilate ignored Herod's superficial claims to the throne by having Jesus proclaimed "King of the Jews".

So it's no surprise that king Jeconiah before he went to Babylon must have worn a crown of gold. But because of the curse; Jesus wore a crown of thorns. A visible symbol of the tarnished and cursed kingship of the Line of David. "that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing;" But Jesus' resurrection changes all that. For God says "Behold, I make all things new" And Jesus is the Chief Cornerstone of all the new creation of God. David's line is restored in Him once and for all.

"For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him." (2 Corinthians 5:21)
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Scripture is clear that the moshiach will sit on David’s throne. David’s throne was an earthly throne. Anyone that hasn’t sat on it is not the moshiach.
 
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susanblange

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Shaul said:
Scripture is clear that the moshiach will sit on David’s throne. David’s throne was an earthly throne. Anyone that hasn’t sat on it is not the moshiach.
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The Messiah hasn't arrived yet in Jerusalem to assume David's throne. King David has been reincarnated and he will take over an existing throne which is today located in Great Britain. Ezekiel 37:24-25. "British" is a Hebrew word which means "covenant people". Queen Elizabeth is sitting on the throne of David but the royal family has no real power. Ezekiel 21:27. The Jews will anoint both the Messiah as King of the Universe and Elijah as his Prophet.
 
74x12

74x12

Well-Known Member
Shaul said:
Scripture is clear that the moshiach will sit on David’s throne. David’s throne was an earthly throne. Anyone that hasn’t sat on it is not the moshiach.
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Yeah, that's why Jewish Rabbis talk about two Messiahs. The son of Joseph and son of David. They just don't want to admit that it's one Messiah with two comings. First coming He is rejected by His brethren like Joseph and second coming He will reign on earth.

Check Psalm 89. It talks about how God has cast off the Davidic line and "made void" the covenant with him. Yet in the same Psalm it talks about how David's seed will endure forever and his throne as long as the sun. So, my point is ... the line of David was cursed. Coniah is the only rightful line of kingship. The king couldn't rightfully come from anyone else. God rejected Zedekiah and all Zedekiah's sons died and he was taken to Babylon blind. Coniah on the other hand was shown mercy by the Babylonian king. He even gave him a throne to sit on and set it above the thrones of the other captive kings in Babylon. That would include Zedekiah if he was still alive. So, that means Coniah was recognized as the rightful king of Jerusalem even though Jerusalem was definitely not prospering. In fact it was destroyed. But later on we see that God specifically chose Zerubbabel and said he was the signet on His right hand. That implies that the Messiah has to come from Zerubbabel; which He did.

Which brings us back to Psalm 89 which shows how the line is cast off and cursed but the Messiah restores it's fortunes. Jesus wore the crown of thorns but He will return in glory.
 
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1213

Well-Known Member
Bob Jones said:
This curse is the second passage of the bible which clearly states that Jesus is not the Messiah because he was connected to King David. I can find no where in the bible where the curse was abated. The ridicules genealogy of Matthew (which totally excludes the mothers) clearly connects Jesus with the house of David, thus disqualifying Jesus. Where in the bible has this curse been either abated or terminated?
Curse Jeremiah 22:28-30
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Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them a question, saying, "What do you think of the Christ? Whose son is he?" They said to him, "Of David." He said to them, "How then does David in the Spirit call him Lord, saying, 'The Lord said to my Lord, Sit on my right hand, Until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet?' If then David calls him Lord, how is he his son?" No one was able to answer him a word, neither dared any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.
Matt. 22:41-46
 
Shaul

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
susanblange said:
The Messiah hasn't arrived yet in Jerusalem to assume David's throne. King David has been reincarnated and he will take over an existing throne which is today located in Great Britain. Ezekiel 37:24-25. "British" is a Hebrew word which means "covenant people". Queen Elizabeth is sitting on the throne of David but the royal family has no real power. Ezekiel 21:27. The Jews will anoint both the Messiah as King of the Universe and Elijah as his Prophet.
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No. There is no Hebrew word “British”. The word origin for “British” comes from Latin, not the Hebrew word “brit”. The British throne has no connection whatsoever to the Israelite throne on David. The British throne did not even come into existence until centuries later.
 
Shaul

Shaul

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Premium Member
74x12 said:
Yeah, that's why Jewish Rabbis talk about two Messiahs. The son of Joseph and son of David. They just don't want to admit that it's one Messiah with two comings. First coming He is rejected by His brethren like Joseph and second coming He will reign on earth.

Check Psalm 89. It talks about how God has cast off the Davidic line and "made void" the covenant with him. Yet in the same Psalm it talks about how David's seed will endure forever and his throne as long as the sun. So, my point is ... the line of David was cursed. Coniah is the only rightful line of kingship. The king couldn't rightfully come from anyone else. God rejected Zedekiah and all Zedekiah's sons died and he was taken to Babylon blind. Coniah on the other hand was shown mercy by the Babylonian king. He even gave him a throne to sit on and set it above the thrones of the other captive kings in Babylon. That would include Zedekiah if he was still alive. So, that means Coniah was recognized as the rightful king of Jerusalem even though Jerusalem was definitely not prospering. In fact it was destroyed. But later on we see that God specifically chose Zerubbabel and said he was the signet on His right hand. That implies that the Messiah has to come from Zerubbabel; which He did.

Which brings us back to Psalm 89 which shows how the line is cast off and cursed but the Messiah restores it's fortunes. Jesus wore the crown of thorns but He will return in glory.
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No the reason the Jewish sages discuss two moshiachs is because there will be two. One will be a descendant from Joseph and another from Judah. They will be two separate individuals and will live contemporaneously. Your “interpretation” of Psalm 82 is flat out wrong. Nor does it comport with the rest of scripture. Scripture is clear that the throne of David is an unending one and will never be rescinded by G-d.
 
74x12

74x12

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Shaul said:
No the reason the Jewish sages discuss two moshiachs is because there will be two. One will be a descendant from Joseph and another from Judah. They will be two separate individuals and will live contemporaneously. Your “interpretation” of Psalm 82 is flat out wrong. Nor does it comport with the rest of scripture. Scripture is clear that the throne of David is an unending one and will never be rescinded by G-d.
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I didn't say Psalm 82. As for two Moshiachs. You're just buying into the party line.
 
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