Nicene Creed

metis said:

Something that the Church has done but you have refused to do. Since forgiveness relies on repentance, the Church is finally doing the right thing-- but not you, as you unapologetically continue with hate-filled bigotry by just pointing out the bad but never mentioning the good.

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What???
I do not seek forgiveness for the wrongs the Mother of Harlots have committed
I have no right to do so
However it is but right to remember
Because if we do not learn from history, people are bound to repeat it



I'm sure that in some point of time heinous offenders have felt regret for the despicable acts that they have done.
But when you come to think of it, they kept on doing the same crimes over and over again over a long period of time and then committed another new crime to exceed what they have done.

The same is true with Babylon the Great
How many people have to die and suffer?
How many children's memories would be shattered in the future?
These stats are in the millions. This is what the Bible says with regards to these:

Revelation 18:1-8 New International Version (NIV)
After this I saw another angel coming down from heaven. He had great authority, and the earth was illuminated by his splendor. With a mighty voice he shouted:

“‘Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!’
She has become a dwelling for demons
and a haunt for every impure spirit,
a haunt for every unclean bird,
a haunt for every unclean and detestable animal.
For all the nations have drunk
the maddening wine of her adulteries.
The kings of the earth committed adultery with her,
and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries.”

Then I heard another voice from heaven say:

“‘Come out of her, my people,’
so that you will not share in her sins,
so that you will not receive any of her plagues;
for her sins are piled up to heaven,
and God has remembered her crimes.
Give back to her as she has given;
pay her back double for what she has done.
Pour her a double portion from her own cup.
Give her as much torment and grief
as the glory and luxury she gave herself.
In her heart she boasts,
‘I sit enthroned as queen.
I am not a widow;
I will never mourn.’
Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her:
death, mourning and famine.
She will be consumed by fire,
for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.

metis said:

Something that the Church has done but you have refused to do. Since forgiveness relies on repentance, the Church is finally doing the right thing-- but not you, as you unapologetically continue with hate-filled bigotry by just pointing out the bad but never mentioning the good.

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This is acknowledged in the 'MEMORY AND RECONCILIATION:
THE CHURCH AND THE FAULTS OF THE PAST

In the entire history of the Church there are no precedents for requests for forgiveness by the Magisterium for past wrongs.

Vatican II distinguishes between the indefectible fidelity of the Church and the weaknesses of her members, clergy or laity, yesterday and today,(12) and therefore, between the Bride of Christ “with neither blemish nor wrinkle...holy and immaculate” (cf. Eph 5:27), and her children, pardoned sinners, called to permanent metanoia, to renewal in the Holy Spirit. “The Church, embracing sinners in her bosom, is at the same time holy and always in need of purification and incessantly pursues the path of penance and renewal.”

The way that has opened to overcome these differences, the schism of the eleventh century, and the laceration caused by those events commonly known as the Reformation, is that of doctrinal development animated by mutual love. The lack of supernatural love, of agape, seems to have been common to both the breaches. Given that this charity is the supreme commandment of the Gospel, without which all the rest is but “a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal” (1 Cor 13:1), such a deficiency needs to be seen in all its seriousness before the Risen One, the Lord of the Church and of history. It is by virtue of the recognition of this lack that Pope Paul VI asked pardon of God and of the “separated brethren,” who may have felt offended “by us” (the Catholic Church).(74)

Unfortunately we cannot expect those here who have but one purpose, to express a personal hatred for the Church, to acknowledge that the Church is in constant renewal.

Shiranui117 said:

The Son is Lord because He has been given Lordship by the Father. And so it is with the Holy Spirit as well--the Spirit is both called Lord, and Spirit of the Lord. We see this in 2 Corinthians 3:17-18: 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

The Father, Son and Holy Spirit all share in the one Lordship over all creation. This is part of why we say that the three Persons of the Trinity are one Godhead and one power. In the Creed, we also begin by saying that "we believe in one God, the Father almighty", though of course we affirm in the Creed as well that Christ is also "true God of true God", and that the Holy Spirit "with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified" as God.

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Who is the Lord of Lords?

pcarl said:

This is acknowledged in the 'MEMORY AND RECONCILIATION:
THE CHURCH AND THE FAULTS OF THE PAST

In the entire history of the Church there are no precedents for requests for forgiveness by the Magisterium for past wrongs.

Unfortunately we cannot expect those here who have but one purpose, to express a personal hatred for the Church, to acknowledge that the Church is in constant renewal.

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"We believe also in only One, Universal, Apostolic, and [Holy] Church; in one baptism in repentance, for the remission, and forgiveness of sins; and in the resurrection of the dead, in the everlasting judgement of souls and bodies, and the Kingdom of Heaven and in the everlasting life"

- last portion of the Nicene Creed

How can a person or an organization ask forgiveness to its victims when these victims numbered by the millions? And the victims are long dead?

How can the "Holy" Church be the remission and forgiveness of sins when it has "blood in its hands"?

Isaiah 59:2-4 New International Version (NIV)
But your iniquities have separated
you from your God;
your sins have hidden his face from you,
so that he will not hear.
For your hands are stained with blood,
your fingers with guilt.
Your lips have spoken falsely,
and your tongue mutters wicked things.
No one calls for justice;
no one pleads a case with integrity.
They rely on empty arguments, they utter lies;
they conceive trouble and give birth to evil.



It is recommended therefore to evaluate if you are in the side of truth or in the side of those who perpetrate evil.

MJFlores said:

How can the "Holy" Church be the remission and forgiveness of sins when it has "blood in its hands"?

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It is the members, including the clergy, of the Church who are sinners, the holiness of the Church is not affected by the sins of its people.

pcarl said:

It is the members, including the clergy, of the Church who are sinners, the holiness of the Church is not affected by the sins of its people.

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What is your church? The building?
Of course the stench would stick on you.
This is why the Bible commands people to evacuate, leave immediately before its too late.

Revelation 18:4 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)
Then I heard another voice from heaven saying,

“Come out of her, my people,
so that you do not take part in her sins,
and so that you do not share in her plagues;

pcarl said:

Unfortunately we cannot expect those here who have but one purpose, to express a personal hatred for the Church, to acknowledge that the Church is in constant renewal.

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Exactly, which is why some here negatively stereotype the Church and then condemn the stereotype they themselves created. And then they aren't even aware of just how dishonest they're being by creating and using such a disingenuous tactic.

Jesus said to "love one another as I have loved you", and yet there are some who really don't seem to want to live within his most basic message, which is the difference between believing some things about Jesus but not believing and living in Jesus, as Thomas Kempis wrote about in his "The Imitation of Christ". And this message also rather clearly shows up in Jesus' "Parable of the Sheep & Goats" in Matthew 25.

metis said:

Exactly, which is why some here negatively stereotype the Church and then condemn the stereotype they themselves created. And then they aren't even aware of just how dishonest they're being by creating and using such a disingenuous tactic.

Jesus said to "love one another as I have loved you", and yet there are some who really don't seem to want to live within his most basic message, which is the difference between believing some things about Jesus but not believing and living in Jesus, as Thomas Kempis wrote about in his "The Imitation of Christ". And this message also rather clearly shows up in Jesus' "Parable of the Sheep & Goats" in Matthew 25.

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This was uploaded a month ago.
Tell me, when will your priests stop?
They seem to be enjoying it unfortunately


I believe this problem is global and affects many countries
Catholic Church sexual abuse cases by country
Catholic Church sexual abuse cases by country - Wikipedia


Matthew 7:15-20 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? In the same way, every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will know them by their fruits.