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Dr. Richard Dawkins vs. Evangelical Pastor Ted Haggard

questfortruth

questfortruth

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Hubert Farnsworth said:
This is a brief, classic video of Dawkins discussing religion and science with Pastor Haggard. The smug, condescending attitude of the pastor is enough to make me laugh
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Post-modern disbelievers are resistent to Good News, that Christ is Risen from the dead, because they (or there grand-grand-parents) have once in the past betrayed the Christian Civilization (other civilizations are fake "good news"): "You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot." Matthew 5:13.
 
questfortruth

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
SomeRandom said:
I didn't. You did though. How scandalous of you.
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And do not lie to yourself, that abbreviation WTF is not the bad speech, for it contains the bad word “fu1ck”. Who were your parents?!

This proves, that by loosing Christian Civilization, we are loosing any touch with Reality:

"New findings have physicists questioning reality", 2017 A.C.

"You are a Simulation & Physics Can Prove It:
George Smoot, TED talks", 2014 A.C.

“Why the world does not exist. Markus Gabriel, TED talks”, 2013 A.C.
 
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SomeRandom

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
questfortruth said:
And do not lie to yourself, that abbreviation WTF is not the bad speech, for it contains the bad word “fu1ck”. Who were your parents?!

This proves, that by loosing Christian Civilization, we are loosing any touch with Reality:

"New findings have physicists questioning reality", 2017 A.C.

"You are a Simulation & Physics Can Prove It:
George Smoot, TED talks", 2014 A.C.

“Why the world does not exist. Markus Gabriel, TED talks”, 2013 A.C.
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Lol your mind went there. What if I was just saying "what the fridge" which is also a common colloquialism?
Mind in the gutter much?
I mean, I approve, but still lol
 
NewGuyOnTheBlock

NewGuyOnTheBlock

Cult Survivor/Fundamentalist Pentecostal Apostate
questfortruth said:
Atheism produces idols, look the atheist Dawkins has become the idol: The bizarre – and costly – cult of Richard Dawkins | The Spectator

the Greek definition of Atheism as the absence of any gods is incorrect. I have correct definition: "atheism is the very idea of paganism, atheism is the original paganism, with the first atheist – satan". The atheism is the source of all idols (mental or physical ones). Indeed, the atheism has produced some idols even in our days: Russel's teapot, Flying Spaghetti Monster church, church of satan in USA.

Opponent: "I’m atheist and dont care about god(s) and/or prophets. I stand by my assertions."

It is not true (not true to God of the Truth), because one can Google: "flying spaghetti monster church". A man said, "I am atheist." A man can lie. Why didn’t he lie this time?

Opponent: "Google: parody".

Google: "practical paganism". Nobody believes in own idols, because idol is not God.

"Existent God" or "non-existent idol". Google words "God", "idol", "existence". A false god is the idol. The idol is not necessary cust into some object like a large tree, or the statue of Shiva-destroyer in the CERN, but rather any wrong opinion about True God. Behind any idolatry and the false cults is the wrong atheistic thought “True God is dead, He will not punish me.” Therefore, YOU CAN NOT LEAVE a THEISM: it's always the Son (look up song “it's always the Sun”). Even you are born and structured with it. It can not be removed from your blood: Brooks, M., Natural born believers, New Scientist 201(2694):31–33, 7 February 2009; Beckford, M., Children are born believers in God, academic claims—Children are born believers in God and do not simply acquire religious beliefs through indoctrination, according to an academic, The Telegraph, 24 November 2008. The atheism is the basic false theism, the founder and the first atheist is satan himself. The atheism is different from True Theism by absence of Love. Love and Respect to a stranger. Spirit of Love is God. Disbelievers think of Love as poison in their blood. Thus, it is the mental case: "Alice Cooper - Poison"


Why all theists say that "God dislikes proofs" when the Eastern Orthodox Christians shout in the temple: "Christ is Risen!"? This is the shortest proof of Christ and His Church. The grave is empty! The God of the Bible loves the proof-making: "He presented himself to them and gave many convincing proofs that He was alive." Acts 1:3.
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Woa. Strike a nerve?

questfortruth said:
I know atheism much much much better than any atheist
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Really? How is that?

sooda said:
So he's a bisexual evangelical pedophile.
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I take exception to this. There is no evidence, whatsoever, that Haggard is a pedophile; and there is no evidence, whatsoever, that Haggard has committed sexual crimes against an under aged person. If you have evidence that Haggard is a pedophile, please present it. If you don't, then please retract your words. I do not defend Haggard; but I do not like false allegations.

questfortruth said:
Has atheism founded church or not?
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No.

However, certain "atheists" have founded churches; and much to the chagrin of many atheists. The "New Atheist Church" (I believe its called) will "ordain" and atheist "minister" to found churches, etc. This has two purposes: (1) A money making scheme; and (2) the reasoning that atheists should enjoy the same privileges as religions; i.e. conduct weddings, preside at funerals, "clergy" visitation privileges, tax write offs, privileged confidentiality, etc.

Some of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster are so into their parody, I sometimes wonder myself if they don't believe it.

But really. Think about it.

Anything can be religionized.
Anything.

Has Star Wars, Darth Vader, Luke Skywalker or Geoge Lucas founded a church? Nope. But there is the Church of the Jedi. That doesn't make Star Wars a religion just because someone religionized it.

Did aliens come down and start churches? Nope. But there are religions dedicated to the worship of extraterrestrials (Heaven's Gate?). Holding a belief that extraterrestrials exist and/or have visited Earth is not a religion just because someone religionized it.

Not all Star Wars fans are members of the Jedi church. Not all people who believe in extraterrestrials worship them. Not all atheists are members of a "church".

Did Harry Potter found a church? Nope. But there is "The Grey School of Witchcraft and Wizardry". Not all science fiction fans who enjoy these stories are members of this "religion" just because someone relgionized it.

https://listverse.com/2009/09/10/10-extremely-weird-religions/
 
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questfortruth

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
questfortruth said:
And do not lie to yourself, that abbreviation WTF is not the bad speech, for it contains the bad word “fu1ck”. Who were your parents?!

This proves, that by loosing Christian Civilization, we are loosing any touch with Reality:

"New findings have physicists questioning reality", 2017 A.C.

"You are a Simulation & Physics Can Prove It:
George Smoot, TED talks", 2014 A.C.

“Why the world does not exist. Markus Gabriel, TED talks”, 2013 A.C.
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SomeRandom said:
Lol your mind went there. What if I was just saying "what the fridge" which is also a common colloquialism?
Mind in the gutter much?
I mean, I approve, but still lol
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NewGuyOnTheBlock said:
Woa. Strike a nerve?



Really? How is that?



I take exception to this. There is no evidence, whatsoever, that Haggard is a pedophile; and there is no evidence, whatsoever, that Haggard has committed sexual crimes against an under aged person. If you have evidence that Haggard is a pedophile, please present it. If you don't, then please retract your words. I do not defend Haggard; but I do not like false allegations.



No.

However, certain "atheists" have founded churches; and much to the chagrin of many atheists. The "New Atheist Church" (I believe its called) will "ordain" and atheist "minister" to found churches, etc. This has two purposes: (1) A money making scheme; and (2) the reasoning that atheists should enjoy the same privileges as religions; i.e. conduct weddings, preside at funerals, "clergy" visitation privileges, tax write offs, privileged confidentiality, etc.

Some of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster are so into their parody, I sometimes wonder myself if they don't believe it.

But really. Think about it.

Anything can be religionized.
Anything.

Has Star Wars, Darth Vader, Luke Skywalker or Geoge Lucas founded a church? Nope. But there is the Church of the Jedi. That doesn't make Star Wars a religion just because someone religionized it.

Did aliens come down and start churches? Nope. But there are religions dedicated to the worship of extraterrestrials (Heaven's Gate?). Holding a belief that extraterrestrials exist and/or have visited Earth is not a religion just because someone religionized it.

Not all Star Wars fans are members of the Jedi church. Not all people who believe in extraterrestrials worship them. Not all atheists are members of a "church".

Did Harry Potter found a church? Nope. But there is "The Grey School of Witchcraft and Wizardry". Not all science fiction fans who enjoy these stories are members of this "religion" just because someone relgionized it.

https://listverse.com/2009/09/10/10-extremely-weird-religions/
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That was disbelief all about: to go crazy! Truly, Truly, Truly: "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God." Psalm 14:1.

Opponent: I have any rights, I want; even the right to be crazy, look up bills “freedom of speech” and “freedom of religion”.

Crazy you say? This paper is for you then. It is the attempt to heal the old schizophrenic separation between the heart (faith) and mind (Science). What a better world will it be without conflict between mind and heart! Rights you say?! Everyone has the right to choose. But not the wrong choice! The God of the Bible has damned those who chose sin! Freedom is defined as an action within God's laws, it is "the perfect law of liberty" James 1:25. That is why even ordinary criminals are not free, but instead sit in prisons. You might ask: “If faith is the truth, why are there so many faiths out there, even within individual religions?” Because Paradise is Lost. However, God has single faith and single Knowledge within his mind. “Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division.” Luke 12:51. The dictator of the sinners – the satan – feels more comfortable by planting many false cults, they are like flowers in his home – the Earth.
 
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paarsurrey

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Please give one positive argument that Dawkins gives for his worldview/no-worldview without derision and or ridicule of others. Right, please?
Regards
 
sooda

sooda

Veteran Member
NewGuyOnTheBlock said:
Woa. Strike a nerve?



Really? How is that?



I take exception to this. There is no evidence, whatsoever, that Haggard is a pedophile; and there is no evidence, whatsoever, that Haggard has committed sexual crimes against an under aged person. If you have evidence that Haggard is a pedophile, please present it. If you don't, then please retract your words. I do not defend Haggard; but I do not like false allegations.



No.

However, certain "atheists" have founded churches; and much to the chagrin of many atheists. The "New Atheist Church" (I believe its called) will "ordain" and atheist "minister" to found churches, etc. This has two purposes: (1) A money making scheme; and (2) the reasoning that atheists should enjoy the same privileges as religions; i.e. conduct weddings, preside at funerals, "clergy" visitation privileges, tax write offs, privileged confidentiality, etc.

Some of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster are so into their parody, I sometimes wonder myself if they don't believe it.

But really. Think about it.

Anything can be religionized.
Anything.

Has Star Wars, Darth Vader, Luke Skywalker or Geoge Lucas founded a church? Nope. But there is the Church of the Jedi. That doesn't make Star Wars a religion just because someone religionized it.

Did aliens come down and start churches? Nope. But there are religions dedicated to the worship of extraterrestrials (Heaven's Gate?). Holding a belief that extraterrestrials exist and/or have visited Earth is not a religion just because someone religionized it.

Not all Star Wars fans are members of the Jedi church. Not all people who believe in extraterrestrials worship them. Not all atheists are members of a "church".

Did Harry Potter found a church? Nope. But there is "The Grey School of Witchcraft and Wizardry". Not all science fiction fans who enjoy these stories are members of this "religion" just because someone relgionized it.

https://listverse.com/2009/09/10/10-extremely-weird-religions/
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He confessed because so many witnesses came forward .. so yes, he's a gay pedophile and a drug addict. Do your homework or just read the link provided.
 
TagliatelliMonster

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Hubert Farnsworth said:
This is a brief, classic video of Dawkins discussing religion and science with Pastor Haggard. The smug, condescending attitude of the pastor is enough to make me laugh every time I see the video.
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It makes me laugh also. Though at the same time, it makes me want to rip my arm off, just so I'ld have something to throw at him.

Watching this video is a bit like watching a parent (Dawkins) trying to reason with and discipline their spoiled, hyperactive four year old child (Haggard) who is having a temper tantrum. Enjoy.:D
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LOL, idd.... :)
 
exchemist

exchemist

Veteran Member
sooda said:
Ida Auken on Twitter



Haggard made national headlines in November 2006 when male prostitute and masseur Mike Jones alleged that Haggard, who had advocated against the legalization of same-sex marriage, had paid him for sex for three years and had also purchased and used crystal methamphetamine. After initially denying the allegations, Haggard claimed to have purchased methamphetamine and thrown it away without using it. Haggard resigned his post at New Life Church and his other leadership roles shortly after the allegations became public.

Later, Haggard admitted to having used drugs, participated in some sexual activity with Jones, and engaged in an inappropriate relationship with a young man who attended New Life Church.

In 2010, Haggard and his wife, Gayle, founded St. James Church in Colorado Springs; as of September 2018, Haggard continues to serve as founding pastor at St. James Church.

Ted Haggard - Wikipedia
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"There is no truth in these rumours!", said a haggard Ted Buggard. :D
 
David J

David J

Member
questfortruth said:
And do not lie to yourself, that abbreviation WTF is not the bad speech, for it contains the bad word “fu1ck”. Who were your parents?!

This proves, that by loosing Christian Civilization, we are loosing any touch with Reality:

"New findings have physicists questioning reality", 2017 A.C.

"You are a Simulation & Physics Can Prove It:
George Smoot, TED talks", 2014 A.C.

“Why the world does not exist. Markus Gabriel, TED talks”, 2013 A.C.
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It's "losing".
 
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