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Judgment

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
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What you’re failing to understand is that in you judgment of the other person in you example, it is your ego that is not “in check.” :)

Don't give me an excuse to judge to begin is the point. Don't be an a-hole, and you will not get judged an a-hole. See how it works?
 

SalixIncendium

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Don't give me an excuse to judge to begin is the point. Don't be an a-hole, and you will not get judged an a-hole. See how it works?

So what you're saying is that your default is to judge others? They have exclusive control of whether or not you pass judgment? The ability to judge or not judge lies not with you but with others?

To each one's own, but I personally wouldn't be comfortable giving others that much control over my own choices or actions.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
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So what you're saying is that your default is to judge others?

I'm saying if people would act responsibly they wouldn't need judgement.

They have exclusive control of whether or not you pass judgment?

Nobody has control over my own judgment. They only have control over their own judgment.

The ability to judge or not judge lies not with you but with others?

Lies with whoever.

To each one's own, but I personally wouldn't be comfortable giving others that much control over my own choices or actions.

Good thing its not. You are expected to exercise self discipline and control yourself.
 

SalixIncendium

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I'm saying if people would act responsibly they wouldn't need judgement.

Doesn't assessing the responsibility of another require judgment on your part?

Nobody has control over my judgment. They only have control over their own judgment.

How so? You stated previously that how one behaves results in your passing judgment. It appears to me that they are in control of your judgment in how they behave and you don't have a choice whether or not to pass judgment.

Case in point...
Lies with whoever.


Good thing its not. You are expected to exercise self discipline and control yourself.

By whom? :)
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
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Doesn't assessing the responsibility of another require judgment on your part

Shouldn't have to.

How so? You stated previously that how one behaves results in your passing judgment. It appears to me that they are in control of your judgment in how they behave and you don't have a choice whether or not to pass judgment.

Not necessarily, if the do act right, then they recieve no judgment. As acting right is expected. But don't act right then time to get checked.

Case in point...

True, whilst you control whether you are judged or not it is the responsibility of others to check ya when you need it.


Yourself otherwise it wouldn't be self discipline.
 

stvdv

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Perhaps you and I are defining “satiate” differently.

While managing ego can bring one closer to moksha, I don’t see how satisfying it can.
Every step (also satisfying the ego, as in my previous example) is part of the journey towards moksha. When all vasanas are exhausted moksha is left.
 

Ponder This

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This thread was inspired by a comment was made by a member here that some people just need to be stood up to, but I, personally, have spend a great deal of time contemplating judgment and its practical and moral value. I'm interested in others' perspective on this topic.

For many, especially those of the Abrahamic faiths, judgment is a key tenet in their faith or worldview, with God ultimately passing judgment on all.

At what point is one justified to pass judgment on another for their religion, worldview, or actions?

What is the basis or foundation of such judgment?

At what point is one justified in "standing up" to another? Is it justified even when the actions of another have no impact on the person passing judgment?

In your opinion, what are the implications, positive or negative, of judgment?

Passing judgement is easy to do.
But in my opinion, sometimes it's better not to stand up to people even when they are wrong.
Sometimes, it's just better to walk away.
 

SalixIncendium

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Every step (also satisfying the ego, as in my previous example) is part of the journey towards moksha. When all vasanas are exhausted moksha is left.

In my experience, indulging the ego leads to clinging more tightly to attachments and remaining in ignorance, none of which is conducive to achieving moksha.
 

stvdv

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Every step (also satisfying the ego, as in my previous example) is part of the journey towards moksha. When all vasanas are exhausted moksha is left.

In my experience, indulging the ego leads to clinging more tightly to attachments and remaining in ignorance, none of which is conducive to achieving moksha.
That seems to be true, but you missed my point.

Hypothetical: God, being omniscient, can see that mr. X will reach Moksha, after 1 more day, in which he has to go through the experience of falling in love, and having the "best" night of his life, after which his beloved dies during sex. Suddenly "he" fully "realises" the "unimportance" of having sex (his last vasana is exhausted). And reaches moksha.
 
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Jainarayan

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If a maths teacher is trained in a university, and then given the answers to the exam; they come and mark the students work, are they judging the student or their work?

There’s a tacit agreement between student and teacher in that case. The teacher is given explicit authority by another authority to “judge” the student. It’s the teacher’s job. There is no such authority or permission given to someone to tell me my beliefs are wrong; my clothing is wrong; I should lose weight; my lifestyle is sinful; etc.
 

stvdv

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There’s a tacit agreement between student and teacher in that case. The teacher is given explicit authority by another authority to “judge” the student. It’s the teacher’s job. There is no such authority or permission given to someone to tell me my beliefs are wrong; my clothing is wrong; I should lose weight; my lifestyle is sinful; etc.
Wonderfully explained.

My Master summorized it as "Nobody has the right to criticise the feelings or faith of someone else".

Very few realize this truth, esp. some Christians, though Jesus explained it on numerous occasions ... "Thou shall not judge"
 
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wizanda

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There is no such authority or permission given to someone to tell me my beliefs are wrong;
This is the whole point there is a Source to our reality, and that Source has sent beings throughout history informing us of the name of the final being, who is the last authority before the destruction of reality.

So when the name its self implies an exegesis (Zand + Ananda) of the global religious texts, and when people ignore their own religious text in the process, they prove their own hypocritical standards.

Since we're in the Age of Ungodliness (Kali Yuga) don't blame anyone for being in the special measures class; yet it is shocking when the teacher actually says here is my credentials, and people mock the standards of authority as well.

Thankfully it was also already prophesied globally people would be like this, and then we just expel them all soon (personally would still rather educate them with the religious texts we helped create).

In my opinion. :innocent:
 
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wizanda

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My Master summorized it as "Nobody has the right to criticise the feelings or faith of someone else".

Very few realize this truth, esp. some Christians, though Jesus explained it on numerous occasions ... "Thou shall not judge"
Criticizing someone's feelings, and correcting their equations are two different things...

If someone is doing something through lack of discernment that leads them to their own destruction, and we don't try to correct them, that is evil (Deuteronomy 27:18).

There is no "thou must not judge" in the Bible, it says:

Matthew 7:1-2 “Don’t judge, so that you won’t be judged. (2) For with whatever judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with whatever measure you measure, it will be measured to you.


Instead Yeshua told us to 'be as wise a serpents, and as gentle as doves' (Matthew 10:16)... In other words discern everything, which means we have to 'judge if it is evil or not' (Luke 11:34-35), else 'we fall into the Pit (Hell) like the Pharisees' (Luke 6:39).

Plus since Christ comes back, and sits in the Judgement Seat (Matthew 25:21-46), where only those worthy to pass the test are going to even get a chance, the rest are removed soon for not even attempting the exam papers...

Informing someone they have failed the exam by their lack of discernment is helping them:

The word faith means "to trust"; so a mountain climber who has 'faith' in his ropes, where then someone who also climbs shows him that his rope is frayed, and he ignores the advice as he has his feelings hurt, as he thinks he has the best equipment, "claiming who made you a teacher"...

Proverbs 15:5 A fool despises his father’s correction, but he who heeds reproof shows prudence.


In my opinion. :innocent:
 

stvdv

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If someone is doing something through lack of discernment that leads them to their own destruction, and we don't try to correct them, that is evil
I was only talking about "feelings and faith" in connection to "do not judge", not about your "discernment that leads them to their own destruction"

And as I am not into evangelizing, this so called "hypothetical destruction" some Religious people believe in, was also excluded in my reply
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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This is the whole point there is a Source to our reality, and that Source has sent beings throughout history informing us of the name of the final being, who is the last authority before the destruction of reality.

So when the name its self implies an exegesis (Zand + Ananda) of the global religious texts, and when people ignore their own religious text in the process, they prove their own hypocritical standards.

Since we're in the Age of Ungodliness (Kali Yuga) don't blame anyone for being in the special measures class; yet it is shocking when the teacher actually says here is my credentials, and people mock the standards of authority as well.

Thankfully it was also already prophesied globally people would be like this, and then we just expel them all soon (personally would still rather educate them with the religious texts we helped create).

In my opinion. :innocent:

To quote Ambassador Sarek of Vulcan, "It is difficult to answer when one does not understand the question". Or in this case, it is difficult, if not impossible, to respond when one does not understand what the other person is going on about. :eek: I think I'm pretty intelligent, but all I could make out were "exit Jesus", "Kaliyuga" and "ānanda". I think even Maa Saraswati is going :shrug:
 

Jainarayan

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That would be too bad. Some female Goddess would be good to balance out male God in Abrahamic Religions

Balance? She'd overwhelm him! :D I think she was also trying to figure out what the post meant.
 
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