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Jesus loves you

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I'm going by what I know. Your comparison is really bad, actually. If you would like more information as to why that comparison is bad, just ask.
I would very much like more information why you think that comparison is bad? Claiming that mystics' experiences of the risen Christ is considered credible evidence of some factual event, has to be considered with the fact that mystics of other cultures likewise experience their own respective deity forms. These sorts of experiences, while valid mystically, are not valid when cited as supporting evidence to bolster confused claims of historical facts.

Unless you had some other point you were trying to make that I was missing?
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
I would very much like more information why you think that comparison is bad? Claiming that mystics' experiences of the risen Christ is considered credible evidence of some factual event, has to be considered with the fact that mystics of other cultures likewise experience their own respective deity forms. These sorts of experiences, while valid mystically, are not valid when cited as supporting evidence to bolster confused claims of historical facts.

Unless you had some other point you were trying to make that I was missing?
I would say that scripture absolutism aside[im not a scripturalist, assuming you aren't either, then that comparison to the Resurrected Jesus, is definitely something we have to consider.
And here's why. In mystical experiences, we get 'man jesus' inferences, things that the writers only would have known, if told by Jesus, so forth.

So, yes, there is an inferred literalism.

So, yes although I did not bring that up, it immediately is a question that one would have to ask.

[[Aside, I don't want to get sidetracked here, the type of mystic experiences you're talking about, seem like the type i would question also.
 
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
We can say, 'Jesus is real', to put that in a normal context. How one determines realness, in an everyday sense.
 
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Aniiz

Member
"Jesus loves you"

Is this just a trite cliche Christians say to others, something kids are taught in Sunday school or sing in a children's song? Or is it a profound reality with eternal impact that the Creator of heaven and earth loves you?

As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. John 15:9

Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends. John 15:13
Jesus loves very few that have ever walked upon the face of the Earth.
 

Aniiz

Member
God does not love everybody. He only loves the righteous who love him. Proverbs 8:17. "I love them that love me..." Psalm 146:8. "...the Lord loveth the righteous". SOS 1:4. "...the upright love thee". It is a commandment to love God. Deuteronomy 6:5. Hating God is deadly. Proverbs 8:36. "But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death". Exodus 20:6. "And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments".
This would also leave you out.
 

Aniiz

Member
Jesus died for the sins of the world. The world includes everyone and that means He loves everyone. The scriptures you posted only show that sin is evil and destructive, therefore Jesus hates sin because it destroys life and He hates those who cling to and/or promote sin. Yet, He offers through His love freedom and eternal life to everyone.
If Jesus died for this world then he died in vain because this world is it going to be consumed by the lake fire.
 

JJ50

Well-Known Member
I take it that Jesus has never talked to you.
No not even when I was a Christian as a child and I prayed for him to help me out with a problem which was bothering me. I never had any sense he was around. If he couldn't come through for a young child, he either didn't care, or much more likely died 2000 years ago and stayed dead.
 
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