Fact-check it.Difference is I recognize BS.
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Are Veterans Better Than The Rest Of Us?
- Thread starter Revoltingest
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BSM1
What? Me worry?
Not that I necessarily agree with all your points here, I do understand where you're coming from.
shmogie
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Ellen Brown
Well-Known Member
I started the original OP
Copernicus formulated the theory that the Sun, not the Earth was the center of the solar system.
LOL! -- you remind me of the priests who refused to look through Galileo's telescope because they didn't want to see anything that would contradict the church's Copernicanism.
Copernicus formulated the theory that the Sun, not the Earth was the center of the solar system.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I wouldn't say they're better. Just that Society expects them to sacrifice more than the average person which deserves a special recognition for that kind of commitment.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I never knew War could be so much fun!
D'oh!
You're right. I confused Copernicus with Ptolemy.
Thanks for the correction.
dianaiad
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Mike. You said that nobody was killed in the civil war. over six hundred thousand people were killed in the Civil War. That you don't approve of the WAY they were killed does not mean that they didn't die.
I can certainly understand why people in Civil War forums had problems with your position, if your position is that nobody died because those who WERE killed weren't killed in the proper way.
They still died.
Hopefully, we all contribute in our own way to our nations' successes (and setbacks).
I do think, though, that those who actually and literally put their lives on the line to a greater extent than most, in their services to the rest of us, at least deserve some merit of respect for having done so (so long as they don't disgrace themselves). That would include military service, police services, fire and other emergency services, and so forth.
I also think it only right that those who've suffered grievous injury in such service (physical and mental) have access to the help they need to cope with those injuries.
I do think, though, that those who actually and literally put their lives on the line to a greater extent than most, in their services to the rest of us, at least deserve some merit of respect for having done so (so long as they don't disgrace themselves). That would include military service, police services, fire and other emergency services, and so forth.
I also think it only right that those who've suffered grievous injury in such service (physical and mental) have access to the help they need to cope with those injuries.
Milton Platt
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I don't see them as better. but I do see them as volunteering for a very hazardous job for next to no pay and crappy living conditions. I see the perks as an attempt to balance the scales a bit. But what should the recompense be for risking one's life, anyway?
I wasn't there at the time, so I was just taking someone's word for it.
I think it's a bit over the top to call it a myth, since public opinion against the war was very strong. There were quite a number of people taking an activist stance against it. Even if they can't find much documentary evidence about "spitting" specifically, it still doesn't negate the fact that there was a very widespread and prominent anti-war and anti-military attitude dominating the era.
But it isn't as hazardous as many other jobs, eg, lumberjack.
Milton Platt
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Hmm...would be interesting to see a list of hazardous jobs and how they rank. But I'll bet you already have one.
Edit: Just looked at three different sites.
One said logging
One said truck drivers
One said fishing boats
None of them included the military
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I just posted one somewhere.
Here you go....
The Top 10 Most Dangerous Jobs in America
Most Dangerous Jobs in 2016
Rank Occupation Fatal injuries per 100,000 workers Total deaths
1 Logging workers 135.9 91
2 Fishers and related fishing workers 86 24
3 Aircraft pilots and flight engineers 55.5 75
4 Roofers 48.6 101
5 Trash and recycling collectors 34.1 31
6 Iron and steel wokers 25.1 16
7 Truck and sales drivers 24.7 918
8 Farmers, ranchers, and other agricultural managers 23.1 260
9 First-line supervisors of construction trades and extraction workers 18 134
10 Grounds maintenance workers 17.4 217
Source: Census of Fatal Occupational Injuries, 2016
Here's a newer one....
https://www.usatoday.com/picture-ga.../25-most-dangerous-jobs-in-america/109193204/
Cops are #14.
Soldiers didn't even make the list.
But they appear to have it better than cops....
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-more-dangerous-to-be-a-cop-or-a-soldier-in-the-USA
Clearly, military personnel have much better PR agents
than lumberjacks, fishermen, groundskeepers, etc.
Perhaps their image is based upon the greater danger
of earlier wars.
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Ellen Brown
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You have my word that I was spat on and called a baby killer in August of 1967, in the Portland, Airport, PDX as I got off a plane ( Boeing 707) from Atlanta there. I would be home for 30 days and fly on to Anchorage, Alaska, thence to Fairbanks, Alaska. If someone is down to calling me a liar, that is really ghetto.
Audie
Veteran Member
It were galileo
For those who think vets are better.....
Is it all vets, just combat vets (no REMFs)?
Is it all vets, just combat vets (no REMFs)?
Truly Enlightened
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I don't think you have to worry about snipers, land mines, or missile attacks, while you are safe at home maintaining the infrastructure, and keeping corporate America happy. I don't think that the wives/husbands and the families of these soldiers would agree with your "team effort" characterization. Especially, the families of those that have come home in body bags, or with terrible mental and physical injuries.
Anyone who is willing to make the ultimate sacrifice to protect your infrastructure and commerce, is the real patriot. And, deserves all the respect and benefits we can give them. This is certainly not about who is better than the other. That's silly. It is about the few who are willing to die to protect the many who are not. So, civilians are not the same as military personnel, in the specific sense. Are they physically the same as any other humans? Yes. Maybe even better.