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Why do Iranians have a chip on their shoulder?

Milton Platt

Milton Platt

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ronki23 said:
Iranian expats complain about the way Iran is being run and most are not even Muslims ( smoke and drink) but they say they're Iranian when meeting someone new
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Being Iranian and being Muslim are not the same thing, first of all.

Secondly, smoking and drinking does not necessarily mean you are not Muslim. It might just mean your are a bad Muslim.

I complain about many things concerning my own government, that does not mean I have a chip on my shoulder. It just means there is a wide political spectrum here and I differ on some current policies. I don't feel personal animosity towards others with a different viewpoint, I just think they are wrong. It is healthy for there to be competing ideas, it's how we learn and improve things.
 
Milton Platt

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
Audie said:
Re your last point there-
The Filipinos have much reason to be very
anti Japanese, and, a good measure of anti American
too. May as well toss in anti Spanish, too.

But they just are not.

Chinese, on the other hand, are very anti Japanese.
This is a deliberate and successful campaign out of
Beijing.

Taiwan, Singapore and Honk Kong are like, hey, that
is then, this is now. All of those people are dead now
anyway.
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An interesting aside:
I spent a few weeks in Japan years ago. My impression was that a significant number of Japanese looked down on Koreans, which is odd, because the current inhabitants of the Japanese Islands are descendants of Koreans. The native population is relegated to the northern most island.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
Milton Platt said:
An interesting aside:
I spent a few weeks in Japan years ago. My impression was that a significant number of Japanese looked down on Koreans, which is odd, because the current inhabitants of the Japanese Islands are descendants of Koreans. The native population is relegated to the northern most island.
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Japanese traditionally consider themselves to be
better than anyone.
I remember a Japanese lady in Sendai explaining to me
that it goes "Japanese-Chinese-Korean-Filipino" in descending
order of quality.

Another origin story is that a group of young men
and women were sent by the emperor of China to find the
"fountain of youth". Come back without it, and they;d
be killed.
So, as they knew they'd never find it, they chose to
keep going.
Those are the ancestors of the Japanese.
 
Milton Platt

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
Audie said:
Japanese traditionally consider themselves to be
better than anyone.
I remember a Japanese lady in Sendai explaining to me
that it goes "Japanese-Chinese-Korean-Filipino" in descending
order of quality.

Another origin story is that a group of young men
and women were sent by the emperor of China to find the
"fountain of youth". Come back without it, and they;d
be killed.
So, as they knew they'd never find it, they chose to
keep going.
Those are the ancestors of the Japanese.
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This got me to looking into things. Evidently, it's complicated:
In Search of Japanese Roots | DiscoverMagazine.com
 
ronki23

ronki23

Well-Known Member
columbus said:
This sounds like the nonsense I commonly hear from Christians.

"Those people who believe Jesus is God, but don't act the way I think Christians should act, aren't really Christians!"

As a Catholic, I'm well used to that sort of garbage.
Tom
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Ive heard it from the horse's mouth: most expatriate Iranians are only 'Muslim' on paper - they have no choice in the matter as the government assigns your religion to you. As far as I know Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians who stayed in Iran after the revolution are the only official non-Muslims.

Also they left BECAUSE of the revolution
 
sooda

sooda

Veteran Member
Goodman John said:
Operation Ajax, 1953. Having your nation hijacked for wanting to have control of your own resources will put the wind up your skirt.
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It's been 70 years. Time for a reset. I remember. I was in Iran in 53. It was a stupid decision and everyone in the oil business knew it. Everything was colored by the cold war.
 
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columbus

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sooda said:
It's been 70 years. Time for a reset. I remember. I was in Iran in 53. It was a stupid decision and everyone in the oil business knew it. Everything was colored by the cold war.
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That's what Obama did.
Trump resumed the attacks.
Tom
 
Goodman John

Goodman John

Active Member
sooda said:
It's been 70 years. Time for a reset. I remember. I was in Iran in 53. It was a stupid decision and everyone in the oil business knew it. Everything was colored by the cold war.
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I completely agree it's time- past time- for a reset. Unfortunately, in my internet wanderings on various forums it seems the vast majority of Americans believe that Iranian history began and ended in '79 with the Embassy hostages, and that one event colors all their perceptions of Iran. They have no clue or concept of events in and around Iran prior to or after the Revolution, and it's just sad.
 
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