And the populace will welcome us as heroes...just as they did in Iraq.
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Iran's new missile defense system unveiled
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Goodman John
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Iran has to remain a permanent enemy because they have done something far worse than attacking the US: they have dared to stand up to us with the whole world watching. The US- the most powerful empire on earth- has its guns and bombs and missiles addressed to Tehran, and we've got more troops and equipment positioned around Iran than most of the worlds militaries have in total, and the Iranians have essentially done the unthinkable by calling us out and saying that we're bullies and unreliable and noting to the world that they're not going to just meekly roll over like we want them to. They've gone further to show the world that our leaders are unreliable diplomatically, and there's an awful lot of nations that are admitting they're right. Iran is hurting from our sanctions, obviously, but in the end they're telling us if we want them we're going to have to come get them because they're not going to just give up. And if we DO go get them, you can bet it's going to make Iraq look like an Easter picnic- they might have old equipment, but they're not afraid to fight anyone who wants to get some.
And let's not forget the military contractors who profit from our being on a continuous war footing. "War is a Racket", anyone?
TL;DR - Iran has stood up to us, and our leaders have decided they can't allow that to happen.
Ugh who wants to invade it.
Trump & predecessors, apparently.
As I've posted before, I know an engineer who worked
on a tow vehicle for mortars, one designed specifically
for a boots on the ground invasion of Iran.
The've been planning for this. People like to carry out plans.
Well I'll believe when I see it.
We got enough tin foil hat wearing folk around here today already.
Once Trump has got us into a war, it'll be a lot too late.
Tom
You didn't know the Bushes then.
Trump is closer to Bill Clinton's politics than he is Bush's. Bill was a coward is all.
Sure fear monger away fear mongerer.
They fought us off in the 80s with rocks and sticks and grit.
For the last 30 years they've been preparing for a more decisive war.
Tom
What does that mean?
Tom
Nonsense.
The Bushes invaded and Clinton didn't.
The Bushes lost and Clinton didn't.
Also Clinton left the USA better of economically than the Bushes, but that's a different issue.
Tom
The plans are there, whether or not they are ever carried out.
I only point out the risks...
1) One that war is planned, but then it doesn't go according to plan.
2) Planning for something risks the plans influencing intentions.
3) Intentions & influences to attack Iran are already in evidence, eg...
- Hillary's threat.
- Trumps threats & almost starting the war.
- Israel's urging preemptive strikes on Iran.
Fear mongering doesn't help.
All irrelevant
We invaded Iran around 40 years ago.
We lost.
Despite our nukes and everything, the Iranian government survived.
Now the Iranian government has had another 30 years or so to plan for our next attack. And we've lost another few wars in the region.
But you and Trump and the rest of the hawks think this will be different. You think that their new missiles are comparable to slingshots.
But somehow, your handwaving away the reality makes it irrelevant?
Tom
I agree.
But why state an obvious generality?
Past all the posturing, I think this is the main thing.
Notanumber
A Free Man
The big question is, are all the Iranians in Iran or are some closer to our homes.
Are the ones closer to our homes going to be sitting on the fence if a war breaks out?
Are the ones closer to our homes going to be sitting on the fence if a war breaks out?
Goodman John
Active Member
This is the sort of thinking that led to the internment camps for Japanese Americans during WW2, a national disgrace.
On another tack, though, so what if they protest an American war against Iran- aren't they allowed to do so? Unless they do anything illegal, they're perfectly within their rights to protest all they want. I know *I* am already protesting the war on Iran that I know is coming, because it's so stupid and so unnecessary and a lot of people are going to get killed over who is the biggest kid in the playground. I'm a 12-year veteran of both the Marines and Army, and I see this as nothing but wrong, wrong, and more wrong.