Should Only Veterans Vote? (USA)

Revoltingest · Aug 20, 2019

Shad said:
A citizen can emigrate.

You're soft selling the situation. Emigrating to evade the draft is a crime.
If returning to the US, draft evaders & deserters faced prosecution.
(Eventually, amnesty was granted for the former.)
So to treat it as normal emigration is highly misleading.

My diagnosis....
If you'd been then & there, & faced being drafted,
these would be things you'd keenly remember.
To you, it's just something to quibble over because
you give inadequate weight to important considerations.

Note....
A diagnosis is not an ad hominem argument.

9-10ths_Penguin · Aug 20, 2019

Shad said:
Unrelated babble which does not refute a single point I made. Maybe look up the point I made about citizenship and the draft. A citizen can emigrate. A slave can not. Try again.

A slave and a draft dodger are equally free to emigrate.

Shad · Aug 21, 2019

9-10ths_Penguin said:
A slave and a draft dodger are equally free to emigrate.

One can do it legally as a citizen. The other can not as they are considered property..

Shad · Aug 21, 2019

Revoltingest said:
You're soft selling the situation. Emigrating to evade the draft is a crime.

You can emigrate before the draft calls your number.

If returning to the US, draft evaders & deserters faced prosecution.

Yes.

(Eventually, amnesty was granted for the former.)
So to treat it as normal emigration is highly misleading.

No you placed my point in a context you want, nothing more.

My diagnosis....
If you'd been then & there, & faced being drafted,
these would be things you'd keenly remember.
To you, it's just something to quibble over because
you give inadequate weight to important considerations.

Your bias due to involvement is why you think the draft is slavery. You object to the punishment thus call it slavery when it is not.

Note....
A diagnosis is not an ad hominem argument.

Never took it as such. You are talking about experience not me as a person. I reject experience is required to understand this topic.

Revoltingest · Aug 21, 2019

Shad said:
You are talking about experience not me as a person. I reject experience is required to understand this topic.

But in this case, it would explain your many errors,
eg, that conscious objection is open to anyone,
that emigrating as a youth is no significant burden.
Had you been there then, you'd know better.

Shad · Aug 21, 2019

Revoltingest said:
But in this case, it would explain your many errors,
eg, that conscious objection is open to anyone,
that emigrating as a youth is no significant burden.

It is.

Had you been there then, you'd know better.

No. You just do not like the penalty that came with your view.

Revoltingest · Aug 21, 2019

Shad said:
It is.

I looked into applying for CO status.
I wasn't eligible.
It required beliefs I didn't hold.

Once again, your lack of experience leads you to simplistic,
& erroneous claims about how the military draft functioned.

No. You just do not like the penalty that came with your view.

Slaves just didn't like the penalties for escaping.

There's the thing about slavery....
It's the threats behind refusing to go along which keep them enslaved.
Without the threats, slaves would just walk away.
So you just bolstered my argument by admitting to penalties.

9-10ths_Penguin · Aug 21, 2019

Shad said:
One can do it legally as a citizen. The other can not as they are considered property..

As you've been told several times now, it's illegal under American law for a draft dodger to leave the country to avoid being drafted.

Milton Platt · Aug 21, 2019

Ellen Brown said:
This will be like kicking a beehive and I understand. I'm just feeling like only those who have felt the cost of having our Country understand it.

Perhaps there is a broader classification? America is in a mess because of a Draft Dodger.

Only if you think the country should not be a democracy (well, a democratic republic)

Milton Platt · Aug 21, 2019

9-10ths_Penguin said:
A slave and a draft dodger are equally free to emigrate.

Explain the process for slaves to immigrate.....

9-10ths_Penguin · Aug 21, 2019

Milton Platt said:
Explain the process for slaves to immigrate.....

They aren't free to emigrate and neither is a draft dodger. That was my point.

Shad · Aug 21, 2019

9-10ths_Penguin said:
As you've been told several times now, it's illegal under American law for a draft dodger to leave the country to avoid being drafted.

And I told you multiple times a citizen can emigrate if they do not want to be the draft roll under SSS. You are taking my comment applying it to a specific point you want when I made not such restriction. If someone is 22 then draft they had 4 years to leave the US to avoid it.

Milton Platt · Aug 21, 2019

9-10ths_Penguin said:
They aren't free to emigrate and neither is a draft dodger. That was my point.

Misunderstood your comment. I'll put my tin foil hat back on and go away.

Thief · Aug 21, 2019

Ellen Brown said:
This will be like kicking a beehive and I understand. I'm just feeling like only those who have felt the cost of having our Country understand it.

Perhaps there is a broader classification? America is in a mess because of a Draft Dodger.

but if …..only the veteran may vote
there might be a lean to a military style of government

Revoltingest · Aug 21, 2019

Thief said:
but if …..only the veteran may vote
there might be a lean to a military style of government

If only vets can vote, it would also go along with only vets in office.
Just imagine...a government full of jar heads, lifers, sad sacks, grunts,
REMFs, drill sergeants, & brass. Heaven help us all.

Thief · Aug 22, 2019

Revoltingest said:
If only vets can vote, it would also go along with only vets in office.
Just imagine...a government full of jar heads, lifers, sad sacks, grunts,
REMFs, drill sergeants, & brass. Heaven help us all.

and corporate America is infiltrated

we have a sailor on the floor
as boss
and he still wears the short hair

he likes to use the word.....NOOOOoooooooowwwww!

I have found it needful to report his incompetence

he leaves me alone...…..nooooowwwwwadays

Revoltingest · Aug 22, 2019

Thief said:
and corporate America is infiltrated

we have a sailor on the floor
as boss
and he still wears the short hair

he likes to use the word.....NOOOOoooooooowwwww!

I have found it needful to report his incompetence

he leaves me alone...…..nooooowwwwwadays

I've known many veterans.
Apparently there are many jobs in the military.
One was a chauffeur.
Another was a golf pro.
Both served the higher ups, who liked the finer things in life apparently.

Thief · Aug 22, 2019

Revoltingest said:
I've known many veterans.
Apparently there are many jobs in the military.
One was a chauffeur.
Another was a golf pro.
Both served the higher ups, who liked the finer things in life apparently.

ah....continuing to serve

Revoltingest · Aug 22, 2019

In the news....
Trump signs order forgiving student loan debt for disabled veterans

President Donald Trump signed a memo to automatically discharge federal student loan debt for permanently and totally disabled veterans during his visit to Louisville Wednesday, where he addressed more than 1,000 veterans.

Also interesting is that the IRS tax code is different for these vets.
Normally, if a loan is treated as uncollectible, the borrower must
pay income tax on the unpaid principal, & sometimes on unpaid
interest. Trump waived this tax liability for vets...& only for vets.

Note that other disabled people don't get any forgiveness.

Thief · Aug 22, 2019

so maybe the vote should be held only by the poor

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