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Who steals more? Cops or robbers?

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Articles from 2015, however what it seems, is this has been going on for quite a few years........

Government seizing (or stealing) people's assets exceeded every thief in the entire country.

Cops Now Take More Than Robbers

So when did the government become bigger at robbing people than the thieves themselves?

Texas seems to be having quite a difficult time themselves in light of these shocking statistics and this was only last year.

Texas police made more than $50 million in 2017 from seizing people’s property. Not everyone was guilty of a crime.

Sometimes I wake up and wonder what kind of country I'm living in. This kind of stuff doesn't come across as acceptable in a free country.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Sometimes I wake up and wonder what kind of country I'm living in. This kind of stuff doesn't come across as acceptable in a free country.
It's a country wherein both Dem & Pub politicians care
more about taking our money than civil liberties. This
is why laws enabling property theft under color of authority
are so hard to fight.
It's also not widely perceived as a problem because it
affects only a small percentage of the population. Prolly
the only thing we can hope for is that black folk get riled
up about it, & the media take an interest. But for now,
it's only a libertarian issue...& those losers don't matter.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
Articles from 2015, however what it seems, is this has been going on for quite a few years........

Government seizing (or stealing) people's assets exceeded every thief in the entire country.

Cops Now Take More Than Robbers

So when did the government become bigger at robbing people than the thieves themselves?

Texas seems to be having quite a difficult time themselves in light of these shocking statistics and this was only last year.

Texas police made more than $50 million in 2017 from seizing people’s property. Not everyone was guilty of a crime.

Sometimes I wake up and wonder what kind of country I'm living in. This kind of stuff doesn't come across as acceptable in a free country.


The IRS has been robbing all of us for years! >insert stereotypical libertarian lame joke drum roll<
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
The IRS has been robbing all of us for years! >insert stereotypical libertarian lame joke drum roll<
The IRS is merely the collection agent for government.
But they do act improperly at times, with some agents
trying to take more than they're entitled to. Been there
& done that.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It's a country wherein both Dem & Pub politicians care
more about taking our money than civil liberties. This
is why laws enabling property theft under color of authority
are so hard to fight.
It's also not widely perceived as a problem because it
affects only a small percentage of the population. Prolly
the only thing we can hope for is that black folk get riled
up about it, & the media take an interest. But for now,
it's only a libertarian issue...& those losers don't matter.
Yeah this is one area where I don't take political sides , it seems pretty universal here.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Yeah this is one area where I don't take political sides , it seems pretty universal here.
You'd think that both Pubs & Dems would oppose police thievery.
But as long as politicians benefit, & most voters don't notice,
it'll continue.

I once had the DEA raid a house I owned & managed. The tenants
had associates who were making designer drugs in the basement.
This happened before a USSC decision entitling us to due process
in civil forfeiture. So I was very accommodating to the DEA agent
in charge. The bullet was dodged.
Tenants are very dangerous for a landlord. If the former commit
crimes, the latter is often prosecuted for them. It's happened to
me. And even though I've always prevailed in court, it's stressful,
costly, & risky.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Articles from 2015, however what it seems, is this has been going on for quite a few years........

Government seizing (or stealing) people's assets exceeded every thief in the entire country.

Cops Now Take More Than Robbers

So when did the government become bigger at robbing people than the thieves themselves?

Texas seems to be having quite a difficult time themselves in light of these shocking statistics and this was only last year.

Texas police made more than $50 million in 2017 from seizing people’s property. Not everyone was guilty of a crime.

Sometimes I wake up and wonder what kind of country I'm living in. This kind of stuff doesn't come across as acceptable in a free country.

I believe all this was the result of a Reagan era law as part of the overall War on Drugs. Rather odd that the champion of capitalism and free market would support such a policy, but such is one of the many contradictions we live under.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I believe all this was the result of a Reagan era law as part of the overall War on Drugs. Rather odd that the champion of capitalism and free market would support such a policy, but such is one of the many contradictions we live under.
It's one of the few valid criticisms that would make me seriously question as to whether I want to stay with the Republicans*. I would love to blame the Socialist democrats for this but I can't in this regard.

*Whom I consider the lesser of the two evils in what's essentially, a two party system.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I believe all this was the result of a Reagan era law as part of the overall War on Drugs. Rather odd that the champion of capitalism and free market would support such a policy, but such is one of the many contradictions we live under.
It's one of the few valid criticisms that would make me seriously question as to whether I want to stay with the Republicans*. I would love to blame the Socialist democrats for this but I can't in this regard.
FYI....
Civil forfeiture in the United States - Wikipedia
Excerpted....
During the later Colonial years, forfeiture practices by the Crown officials using writs of assistance were one of the many activities that angered colonists, who saw the writs as "unreasonable searches and seizures" that deprived persons of "life, liberty, or property, without due process".[7] The early Congress wrote forfeiture laws based on British maritime law to help federal tax collectors collect customs duties, which financed most of the expenses of the federal government in the early days of the republic.[6] Seizures allowed government to confiscate property from citizens who failed to pay taxes or customs duties.[5] The Supreme Court upheld these forfeiture statutes in situations where it was virtually impossible to get hold of guilty persons on the high seas while possible to get hold of their property.[6] During much of the 19th century there was not much attention paid to forfeiture laws.[6]

Prohibition era[edit]

During Prohibition, Detroit police inspect equipment suspected of being used to make alcohol; under civil forfeiture laws, police could seize the equipment without having to charge any owners with a crime.
Government used forfeiture during the Prohibition years 1920–1933.[6] Police seized vehicles and equipment and cash and other property from bootleggers.[5] When Prohibition ended in 1933, much of the forfeiture activity ended as well, and modern forfeiture was an "infrequent resort" until the last few decades.[7]

War on Drugs (1980–present)[edit]
Civil forfeiture activity increased substantially in the past thirty years.[8] It stepped up forfeiture during the War on Drugs during the early 1980s and onwards.[6] It became harder for criminal organizations to launder dirty money by means of the financial system, so drug cartels preferred bulk payments of cash.[9] Illegal drugs are a big business; one estimate was that the annual profit from selling illegal drugs was $12 billion, according to the United States Drug Enforcement Administration.[6] The initial intent, similar to methods used to try to fight alcohol trafficking and use during the Prohibition era, was to use civil forfeitures as a weapon against drug kingpins.[10]

According to journalist Sarah Stillman, a major turning point in forfeiture activity was the passage of the Comprehensive Crime Control Act of 1984.[11] This law permitted local and federal law enforcement agencies to share the seized assets and cash.[7] Civil forfeiture allowed federal and local governments to "extract swift penalties from white-collar criminals and offer restitution to victims of fraud", according to Stillman.[7] From 1985 to 1993, authorities confiscated $3 billion of cash and other property based on the federal Asset Forfeiture Program, which included both civil and criminal forfeitures.[11] The methods were supported by the Reagan administration as a crime fighting strategy.

It's now possible for a drug dealer to serve time in a forfeiture-financed prison after being arrested by agents driving a forfeiture-provided automobile while working in a forfeiture-funded sting operation.

— Reagan attorney general Richkard Thornburgh in 1989.[7]
The politics of civil forfeiture were somewhat unusual. The federal forfeiture laws were introduced and pushed through by Republicans in the 1980s, with support from some Democrats; but efforts to reform forfeiture laws have also come from the right,[12] as libertarians in Congress have focused on the basic idea as offensive to property rights.[12] In many areas civil forfeiture adversely affects persons from minorities and low-income communities, in which the typical seizure is less than $500, and Democrats have also been critical of civil forfeiture programs.[12] The ACLU has also been a long time opponent.[12]
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
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