I live here and this simply isn't true in my experience.
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The Generations Need To Let Go.
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Ellen Brown
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Sigh. Well whatever you call the occupants of the Arabian peninsula at the time.
Ellen Brown
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I've heard it quite a lot from those "who live there".
sooda
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Is that your experience?
We have digs at each other all the time, but we never mean it. US people are notorious for not understanding British humour. We are caustic to each other by way of a joke.
I'll be the one to touch the 3rd rail.....
The Jews (family) who still hate Germans.
From my experience, i completely and wholeheartedly disagree with you here. Its actually the other way around, the Islamic teachings are not the problem, its the Muslims that often create the problems but, we must also remember they are people like everyone else. Jew, Atheist, Hindu, Christian or whatever, so they will naturally make mistakes, its important to understand the difference between the individual and whatever label people choose to apply to them. Whether that's an Atheist, Agnostic or theist.
Fallible humans do definitely make mistakes, but human frailty aside in my experience I disagree based on the facts, and the scriptures of ancient religions like Judaism, Christianity and Islam are tribal in nature and do indeed contain passages that can be interpreted as advocating violence against others in the name of religion, and do indorse an us versus them concerning non-believers. Atheism, Agnosticism, Unitarian Universalists, and the Baha'i Faith do endorse a more universal perspective of the nature of our existence, and in and of themselves do not advocate a tribal perspective as do ancient religions.
Yes, most definitely my friends and myself have experienced hostility toward Baha'is, especially the Persian Baha'is who lost relatives and all their possessions and fled Iran. There are countries I cannot travel, because of this.
The tribal views of Judaism, Christianity and Islam remain very strong, and to great extent isolationist against non-believers. I was assaulted by a Black Muslim when I was teacher in China.
Prejudice in extreme forms is alive in well and going strong in the good old USA. My wife is Chinese and a Baha'i experiences extreme prejudice at work from Blacks and Hispanics.
74x12
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I think she means the Arabs/Muslims.
shmogie
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Unfortunately, inherent within man is the desire for power.
Divisions by race, religion, or culture foster a me vs them mentality.
The strong have conquered the weak since the dawn of humanity.
Native Americans had ceaseless wars between tribes. Some tribes were literally made extinct by other tribes.
In Africa the Zuluś and Masai were fearsome warriors, and conquered and enslaved other African tribes.
Africans helped Muslim and European slavers capture other Africans.
Muslims conquered vast areas of non Muslim territories.
Europeans were constantly involved in wars. War shaped the map of Europe.
As you pointed out, the Aztecs controlled by force Mexico, the Spaniards defeated the Aztecs and were in control, the Mexicans took it from Spain, and the United States took part of it from Mexico.
On and on it goes. It will not end till Christ returns, then peace and peaceful people will have the earth
Divisions by race, religion, or culture foster a me vs them mentality.
The strong have conquered the weak since the dawn of humanity.
Native Americans had ceaseless wars between tribes. Some tribes were literally made extinct by other tribes.
In Africa the Zuluś and Masai were fearsome warriors, and conquered and enslaved other African tribes.
Africans helped Muslim and European slavers capture other Africans.
Muslims conquered vast areas of non Muslim territories.
Europeans were constantly involved in wars. War shaped the map of Europe.
As you pointed out, the Aztecs controlled by force Mexico, the Spaniards defeated the Aztecs and were in control, the Mexicans took it from Spain, and the United States took part of it from Mexico.
On and on it goes. It will not end till Christ returns, then peace and peaceful people will have the earth
shmogie
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Bahai´s never display what you describe as tribal views of other religions ?
Just curious, what was a Black Muslim doing in China ?
As far as the British Isles goes this old history and more in humor, International football, rugby, and pub brawls on occasion, except for the animosity between the Irish and the British, and Northern Ireland, which is still hot for political as well as religious reasons between the Protestants and Roman Church (RCC) believers.
I am describing them as tribal religions of the past with ancient scriptures. The Baha'i Faith considers them as past religions based on Revelation from God, and relevant to the time they were revealed, and those times have passed.
Tribal religions are rooted in their culture, and can be traced cultural origins. Judaism is the Hebrew tribal religion, and Christianity claims the fulfillment of prophesy, and blood lineage of Judaism. Islam tribal cultural orientation is Arab tribes, and the original cultural divisions in Islam follow tribal boundaries. Tribal religions believe in a strong us versus them in terms of non-believers.
He was an English teacher at the English school north of Beijing. There were actually four Muslim English teachers, two women and two men, at the school.
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Then you must not run in those circles. I am acquainted with them. There are certain groups of people who kind of try to drag you into the drama, so to speak. I’ve seen it in action and it seems to breed anger, fury and toxicity.
I mean sure, a lot of people just sort of stand aside looking bemused. But there is sometimes psychological pressure to not forgive and forget. I have run into it from time to time. It’s.......unhealthy to say the least.
MikeDwight
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Hmm OP God does not mix genetics. Note that Matthew starts with the 30 Jewish Generations empowering Christ to be King of Israel. Abraham the Father of the Human Race seeks for his firstborn Son's Isaac's wife from his original homeland expressly not to mix at all with any of the people's God had placed in other lands.
Abraham Seeks a Wife for Isaac - The Israel Bible
Forgetting History right? Then pasting something you just made up just now from some radical position? We can back up Directly to Andrew Jackson's position on "Indian" removal and see if it makes some sense to you our legitimacy? Circa 1900 is the first word "Native American" to be anything other than the Anglo-Saxon colonizer, widely a political movement that used the phrase. That's not settled. After the Spanish diseases, and the minimal Progress of the people and resistance to farming, Andrew Jackson saw no sympathetic sense himself to a few thousands in the wilderness over the sprawling progress of Christian civilization.
Abraham Seeks a Wife for Isaac - The Israel Bible
Forgetting History right? Then pasting something you just made up just now from some radical position? We can back up Directly to Andrew Jackson's position on "Indian" removal and see if it makes some sense to you our legitimacy? Circa 1900 is the first word "Native American" to be anything other than the Anglo-Saxon colonizer, widely a political movement that used the phrase. That's not settled. After the Spanish diseases, and the minimal Progress of the people and resistance to farming, Andrew Jackson saw no sympathetic sense himself to a few thousands in the wilderness over the sprawling progress of Christian civilization.
Rational Agnostic
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So a kid born to a billionaire has the same opportunities to become successful as a kid born in an impoverished, crime-ridden neighborhood? C'mon, use your head instead of parroting republican pundits.
As provided by the law yes.
Rational Agnostic
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What do you mean by that exactly? I know you're smart enough to know that some people are born into situations that give them a higher probability of success than others.
They are, but that's irrelevant as far as the law is concerned.
Our govt insures everyone has equality of opportunity. That means you can't discriminate against someone based on race, religion, gender etc.
It is not the govts job to take the rich kid down a peg. Though we do give poor kids and disadvantaged people a hand up.