MikeDwight
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I got to head out, but seeing all Europe united as Chalcedonians is a Gamer's fantasy anyway, what we gotta say or do about this Nicene Creed for you? The Pentarchy!
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Nicene Creed
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MJFlores
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I believe Jesus Christ and the apostles together with Abraham to the prophets are from the Middle East
not even Europeans, Vikings or so forth.
Sorry I do not know much of Korean "Christian" cults
however I know some K-pop groups
MikeDwight
Well-Known Member
KPOP itself could be totally made up as far as I care. I remember seeing some Korean guy in 2010 hey want to see my girlfriend, and this shocking music on his account. Whatever.
Which transitions perfectly with the Macedonian Call! The Apostle, Led specifically by the Spirit through our archaic ancient label of Anatolia, Asia, Asia Minor, by a Spirit vision of the Ancient Kingdom of Alexander the Great, of Preaching in Greece, and this was the Call of Korea of Horace Underwood. The Call of Macedon is what opened Christianity to All Europe. The Call of Korea is what can open all Asia to Christianity today.
Which transitions perfectly with the Macedonian Call! The Apostle, Led specifically by the Spirit through our archaic ancient label of Anatolia, Asia, Asia Minor, by a Spirit vision of the Ancient Kingdom of Alexander the Great, of Preaching in Greece, and this was the Call of Korea of Horace Underwood. The Call of Macedon is what opened Christianity to All Europe. The Call of Korea is what can open all Asia to Christianity today.
ALL religion is man made, including your own.
John 1:1, 14 – "In the beginning [before all time] was the Word (Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself.
Matt. 28:19
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations {help the people to learn of Me, believe in Me, and obey My words}, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
From the Amplified Bible
MikeDwight
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***mod edit*** It is entirely without Value all these stomping feet that went out from the 12 Apostles with Jesus, to Macedon, to Russia, to Scotland, the fase missions from Rome to Ireland, the crusades to Poland, Lithuania. What about a British Captain Hall bringing the first Bible to Korea ever in 1885? see these are racist white Cult leaders of the Catholic Church this whole time, that just convince poor people to do their evil bidding, like disrupt everything terrorist style. They probably want everyone to speak Latin. Do you believe in any physical rites at all? The yangban that Horace Underwood first Baptized into the Church after reading the Bible and confirming his faith? Any physical signs at all?
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MJFlores
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A religion is man made if the religion does not teach the truth.
It is of the devil if the religion is riddled with lies.
This is what the Lord Jesus said as written in the Bible.
John 8:42-47 New International Version (NIV)
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
MikeDwight
Well-Known Member
Most believe the Bible Divinely Inspired. These are still Authors though, and each author of each book are mostly not Prophets of any kind. However, its also been reaffirmed that others are not even Witnessing for God or Christ, making it a central text. However, Developments still Happen in the Living Body of Christians and the Church. Does anyone here want to discuss how the Church has developed without blanket rejections of the very wide world you would enter into as a Christian? The PCUSA has for 50 years since I first looked into Cynthia Bolbach, to frustrate Americans as a veneer from the Presbyterian Catholic World, Catholic being the usage of "universal" a very positive name the Roman Catholic Church allows itself obviously. The Presbyterian Catholic World is purposefully obscured in every measure, and we are lucky to see the Many signs of the United States Federal Government performing this. This is so Extreme our previous Presbyterian National Mexican Church excommunicated relations, which is next to heresy. The Church of Scotland has preserved at least in a logical progression a Church administration, and the Tonghap Presbyterian Church of Korea has preserved a logical 120 year Church administration. Then I don't take lightly just saying you deal with Any lies at all. The LIES are LOUD and Plastered proudly and widely, and this has Proven harmful, and vengefully mean. A Christian would have to forgive having been misled.
We could put 30 of these holy text pasters together and somehow, the only Christian Denomination in the world specifically concerned with creating interpretations and confessions of the Scripture Alone, by Grace Alone, with the Duty and Responsibility widely distributed to Elders , Damimoksas, and not only that, to every individual and the wider Community, did allow Cynthia Bolbach to ignore the loudest proclaimed Commandments of this Text , the Bible, when Christ the Trinitarian God of Creation, did cite the Creation of God our Father, that made one man and one woman, Adam and Eve, that what so God brought together shall not be Parted, and by the rule of law of a democratic institution, Cynthia Bolbach leads to proclaim that marriage is most accurately defined as two people committed to each other for some time. LIES! People lie to you.
Did Stonewall Jackson is an Elder of Church, know the 10 commandments as God wrote them, that stealing involves to covet a servant, was this not more widely known as slavery, and so Biblical , practical, societal, leadership, is a seemingly non-recoverable position here.
We could put 30 of these holy text pasters together and somehow, the only Christian Denomination in the world specifically concerned with creating interpretations and confessions of the Scripture Alone, by Grace Alone, with the Duty and Responsibility widely distributed to Elders , Damimoksas, and not only that, to every individual and the wider Community, did allow Cynthia Bolbach to ignore the loudest proclaimed Commandments of this Text , the Bible, when Christ the Trinitarian God of Creation, did cite the Creation of God our Father, that made one man and one woman, Adam and Eve, that what so God brought together shall not be Parted, and by the rule of law of a democratic institution, Cynthia Bolbach leads to proclaim that marriage is most accurately defined as two people committed to each other for some time. LIES! People lie to you.
Did Stonewall Jackson is an Elder of Church, know the 10 commandments as God wrote them, that stealing involves to covet a servant, was this not more widely known as slavery, and so Biblical , practical, societal, leadership, is a seemingly non-recoverable position here.
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MJFlores
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The Almighty God committed His words in writing (cf. Jer. 30:2). The collections of inspired books where the words of God are written is called the “Holy Scriptures” by the apostles (cf. II Tim. 3:15). All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching the truth, rebuking error, correcting faults, and giving instruction for right living (cf. II Tim. 3:16-17 TEV), and also, the Holy Scriptures are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation (cf. II Tim. 3:17, TEV). Thus, according to the apostles:
“Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, ‘Do not go beyond what is written…” (I Corinthians 4:6 NIV, emphasis mine)
Because the Bible is the sole basis of our faith, we should reject teachings not written in the Bible (e.g. Christmas, Purgatory, Trinity, etc.) and other basis of faith (e.g. Catechism, Book of Mormons, Apocrypha, etc.).
MikeDwight
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Catholics pray to 5 saints to be exact before jesus Christ, or anybody in the bible. Catholics have a religion that adds On Top of the bible by far, built a whole religion on Mary who has a couple nondefinite passages. It developed Latin as a holy language of Roman Catholicism. It does not ask any participation traditionally, singing, ceremony, from any members, while a Priest looks away in a High Mass to eucharist, or ceremony. Your viewpoint is probably allowed through some Gutenberg bible protestant reformation group like the Reformed , or other Protestants, when the swords start clanging its just an identity anyway. Men have worked 1000s of years to Develop the very complicated task of Understanding the bible. I mean first off its in Greek? You want to only read Greek or did somebody help you Understand the Bible? Can they write other highlights like the Westminster Confession?
MJFlores
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The combination "the Catholic Church" (he katholike ekklesia) is found for the first time in the letter of St. Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans, written about the year 110.
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Catholic
Using these methods, most scholars assume a date of birth between 6 and 4 BC, and that Jesus' preaching began around AD 27–29 and lasted one to three years. They calculate the death of Jesus as having taken place between AD 30 and 36.
Cause of death: Crucifixion
Parents: Mary, mother of Jesus
National Affiliation: Roman Empire
Chronology of Jesus - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_Jesus
Who are these 5 saints before Jesus Christ, who were worshiped by Catholics?
Used to be a Catholic [because I was born one] and I never heard of these 5 saints worshiped before Jesus Christ was even born.
MikeDwight
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You're totally wrong and totally mistaken on a point here. Why are the Tax Collectors cast out by Jesus Christ?! You should treat the faithful brother to all the selfless benefits Jesus names, or if they totally appear to reject everything, treat them like a Tax Collector! That's not even your friendly neighborhood IRS man. That's the Roman Empire levying heavy vassalage from states like Jerusalem Israel inside the Roman Empire. That's just fact, that's from Christ. The teachers of the Law try to make him disloyal , on the disloyal end of Jews, to Rome, and say whom do we pay tax? "Render unto Ceasar what's Ceasar's and unto God what is God's". You say his "national Affiliation is Roman Empire" what a thorn in everyone's side to say that! Most people are in agreement that the New Babylon, where obviously Israel was once imperialistically conquered by the Babylonians, the New Babylon, is not cryptic symbolism, is the Roman Empire, and Rome where everyone goes to trade in a harlot, cities widely associated with femininity.
Jesus did make faithful of Romans, which does not make him at all a Roman. The New Testament is in Greek original. He would be totally ashamed to hear the one acceptable language, Latin. They probably prefer the Aramaic of the Old Testament. I was quoting a study in Italy. People say they're prayers. A list of most prayed to puts Jesus Christ the Lord and God, at 7th place I think it was. People pray to Mary, people pray to Saint Peter. I don't have the list in front of me. Patron Saints everywhere. Jesus Christ is no automatic figurehead because people want it to be.
Jesus did make faithful of Romans, which does not make him at all a Roman. The New Testament is in Greek original. He would be totally ashamed to hear the one acceptable language, Latin. They probably prefer the Aramaic of the Old Testament. I was quoting a study in Italy. People say they're prayers. A list of most prayed to puts Jesus Christ the Lord and God, at 7th place I think it was. People pray to Mary, people pray to Saint Peter. I don't have the list in front of me. Patron Saints everywhere. Jesus Christ is no automatic figurehead because people want it to be.
Even using a pictorial, pope and trump, the lack of knowledge concerning the Church comes to the fore. Francis did not meet Trump as head of the Catholic Church, but as the 'Head of State', politically, diplomatically. The Vatican is an independent State with its own government, the reason the United States appoints an ambassador to the Vatican. Trumps visit with the pope was no different than with any other head of state.
Here's another clue for you; the pope is a BISHOP.
And without the work of the presbyter-bishop, without the permanent institutional element the work of the apostle would soon have vanished. Already at the very beginning of the 2nd cent in some communities one bishop had emerged as the head of the college of presbyters. According to the Didache the wandering prophets are not forbidden to hold Eucharist there is an instruction in connection with other instructions on celebrating the Eucharist, 'to appoint bishops and deacons who will render for the community the ministry (leitourgis) of the prophets.'
1Clement, in the year 96 refers to ejecting from office "men who have offered the sacrificial gifts of the episcopate worthily'. Just prior to or right after the turn of the century the role of the presbyter-bishop and the role of the celebrant of the Eucharist are joined.
MikeDwight
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Western Roman occupied people saw the ancient ruins from Romans, their roads, their heated bathhouses, their aqueducts, they did build into Europe. The whole term Dark Ages is pointing at that for Western Europe. These things were crumbling. Their children didn't even know what it was, some ancient strange thing. People felt like they had regressed. The reason Catholicism I've been led developed is a thing that brought together history and education. Did the Pope Actually advance Religion?! Did Rome?!
The Bible has the conversion of Byzantium to Christianity contained Chapter after Chapter in the Bible. What Roman History gives us is Nero butchering the Christian slaves for entertainment in the Colisseum. We have a whole history then in the West about it and why they don't allow slavery. Its all political development.
The Bible has the conversion of Byzantium to Christianity contained Chapter after Chapter in the Bible. What Roman History gives us is Nero butchering the Christian slaves for entertainment in the Colisseum. We have a whole history then in the West about it and why they don't allow slavery. Its all political development.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
A few comments:
One is that Catholics are not to pray to saints but may pray through saints, in what the Apostle's Creed says is part of "the communion of saints".
Secondly, there are no saints prior to Jesus in the Church as even Mary was not deemed as being one until after Jesus' crucifixion.
Thirdly, please don't confuse the Roman Empire with the Church itself, and even during and after Constantine, the Church leadership was not the same as the leadership of the state.
Finally, at every single mass the prayers overwhelmingly are to God the Father through Jesus, not to any saint. If a saint is mentioned, it's only in the context of asking them to help us in our prayers to God ("...pray for us...").
One is that Catholics are not to pray to saints but may pray through saints, in what the Apostle's Creed says is part of "the communion of saints".
Secondly, there are no saints prior to Jesus in the Church as even Mary was not deemed as being one until after Jesus' crucifixion.
Thirdly, please don't confuse the Roman Empire with the Church itself, and even during and after Constantine, the Church leadership was not the same as the leadership of the state.
Finally, at every single mass the prayers overwhelmingly are to God the Father through Jesus, not to any saint. If a saint is mentioned, it's only in the context of asking them to help us in our prayers to God ("...pray for us...").
Yes, but Greek was no longer the common language of the people.
Private devotions have nothing to do with the official teaching of the Church, and are not part of the deposit of faith.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Plus the language that Jesus and the apostles spoke was not Greek but Aramaic.
MikeDwight
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I literally think Most Protestantism can be understood in the "Hail Mary". That's all Catholics do! I don't like your intellectual pinpointing. If you pray the Rosary, you will throw out At Least 63 Hail Mary's to my count. You will say the Lord's Prayer looks like 6 times. You'll say the Apostle's Creed 1 time. The Only Christ in a very rigidly formatted Catholic Church is that little baby Jesus who hasn't a single care for that scene, Jesus has Never given You permission to that scene, who said, whom is my Mother. Think about this. If the LORD GOD, disowns his maternal physical Mother, are you a CHRISTIAN?! I don't believe in people Noting Mary as Christians, maybe extreme, I want reactions anyway.
Language of the New Testament - Wikipedia
Language of the New Testament - Wikipedia
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
If you don't like our approach, then maybe just ignore it, especially since you don't much seem to understand it to begin with. I could easily attack the Presbyterian church if I wanted to, but why would I want to do that?
I grew up in a fundamentalist Protestant church whereas I frequently heard such anti-Catholic bigotry, but a couple of decades later I eventually converted to Catholicism. I have never once heard a priest nor a deacon attack a Protestant or an Orthodox church in my over 50 years of attending mass.
IMO, religious bigotry more demeans the person saying it than the church they're attacking, and Paul warned us about not causing division within what he called the "one body".
MikeDwight
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Catholics do get a lot of butts in seats, 1.2 Billion of 2 billion professed Christians. Let me tell you though, that'd be losing history. Horace Underwood used the term Romanists at least 10 times, no other word is ever mentioned, the Romanists. The slain bodies of 20,000 catholics in Korea turns into a Fruitful indicator of the well fertilized seed of Presbyterianism in Korea. Why Presbyterianism will not Exist, and it will not Be, and the people on top proclaim love, that's how it always is though.
If there was a "one body" it was solidly Orthodox. That's the point here. Then why did the 4th Crusade sack Constantinople. Why did the Pope raise above the Pentarchy , he is a rebellious Bishop of Orthodoxy turned into a Dictator. They are Confusing the issues today. Every Country has a Church, and a seat at the synod and meeting table, this is also Universal And Catholic Orthodoxy. The Roman Catholic wanted to force the Latin Empire on the Greeks again.
If there was a "one body" it was solidly Orthodox. That's the point here. Then why did the 4th Crusade sack Constantinople. Why did the Pope raise above the Pentarchy , he is a rebellious Bishop of Orthodoxy turned into a Dictator. They are Confusing the issues today. Every Country has a Church, and a seat at the synod and meeting table, this is also Universal And Catholic Orthodoxy. The Roman Catholic wanted to force the Latin Empire on the Greeks again.
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I couldn't care less if he used it a million times, in that the use of "Roman" as past of the Church's title was not added until many centuries later. At the end of the 2nd century the main name used for the Church was "Catholic".
That's truly sick.
It's best maybe to look things up before posting.
During the early 2nd century, both "catholic" (universal) and "orthodox" (truth) were used as descriptors of the Church. But at the end of that century "Catholic" was the main name used as a formal title. "Orthodox" didn't get used as a formal title for the eastern Church until the Great Schism occurred, which was many centuries later. Thus, it was the Orthodox who split by selecting a different "pope" ("patriarch"), thus splitting from the Catholic Church.
The concept of the "pentarchy" goes back only until the 6th century, but the designation of the Bishop of Rome (centuries later called "pope") as an informal leader of the Church shows up in Ignatius letter to Clement at the end of the 1st century, whereas he states that the Bishop of Rome has a special designation as a leader of the Church because Rome is where both Peter and Paul were martyred. Centuries later that role became more formalized in order to try and hold the Church together and also to fight numerous heresies that kept sprouting up.
The pope was not a "dictator", nor is he now, especially because he is not a civil authority. However, there were times when both authorities got too chummy/chummy, which periodically led to some serious problems. Since the Church is almost 2000 years old, unfortunately this is something that could have been expected.
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