Question for atheists

TagliatelliMonster said:

But people don't grow limbs back. Just like apples never fall "up" and instead, always fall "down".

You can "keep open" all you want to phenomenon that would be violations or suspensions of natural law (like people growing back limbs, or apples falling "up", or pink leprechauns suddenly swarming out of your fridge, or extra-dimensional aliens materializing before your eyes, or......), but the fact is that such stuff simply doesn't happen.

Or so you claim....​

Some people also claim to have seen Elvis at Walmart. But you know.....

Well, clearly you are.... as you are seemingly willing to simply believe claims like the one above....
So, it's not much a fantasy, it seems to me, to state you easily believe fantastical claims. After all, it's per your own acknowledgement, not just merely my assessment.....

How is this in any way an answer to the question you are responding to?

I didn't claim you were being sarcastic.
I just took your response as is. And your response implies a causal relation between me being an atheist and me not making a leap of faith to gods. That is to say: that I don't make those jumps because I'm an atheist. That is just incorrect.

A correct response on your part would have been something like: "Off course not, you value evidence and reason and stay clear of faith based beliefs".

There's no such thing as "personal accuracy".
Statements about the external world are either accurate or they are not.

Ow don't get me wrong, I don't give a rat's behind about what you think about atheism or not.
I only care about what is true.

Sure, being a secular democrat / humanist, I do are about those theists who can't seem to comprehend that their religious beliefs are their own private business and I will come down heavy on those who'll try and stuff their religious shennanigans down my or other people's throat, no doubt.

Kuddo's to you if you aren't like that and are a "secular theist" yourself. Great. Awesome.

But that doesn't stop us from having a discussion on what is actually true.

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Wrong: "But people don't grow limbs back" ... you did not see it, I did

Wrong: "but the fact is that such stuff simply doesn't happen." ... you have never experienced it, I did

Exactly ... useless to share my experiences with you. You will just answer "so you claim"

So indeed it is your fantasy. I did experience and see things you never experienced or saw.
Hence you are right to say "In my experience this is impossible or whatever"
You are wrong to say "it is a fact that this can never happen"

I could not make my answer any clearer.

My response was correct. If you want to see it different is okay with me.

I don't shove anything down your throat at all. And when I say "No, I don't share", you give a negative belittling reply. So after all glad I did not share my experiences.

Kuddo's to you if you aren't like that and are a "secular theist" yourself. Great. Awesome.
But that doesn't stop us from having a discussion on what is actually true.
And it is useless to talk about what is true, when it comes to spirituality. Unless you have personally experienced it and are open to it

Ow don't get me wrong, I don't give a rat's behind about what you think about atheism or not.
Good to know.

So I decide to agree to disagree on all of this.

Augustus said:

As I said earlier, assuming he tells me which is the right religion, I'd become an adherent. It would be stupidly irrational not to.

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Regardless of said religions tenets?

stvdv said:

Some people believe in "hate", so they create/choose a God with "hate"attributes ... I do not.

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It's a tangent, so I apologise, but hate exists.
If you've managed to personally banish it, then I commend you, but your belief in it or otherwise doesn't change its existence.

lewisnotmiller said:

Regardless of said religions tenets?

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If the 'One True God' created the universe with a purpose and laid down specific tenets for leading the good life, whether you like them or not isn't really that important.

lewisnotmiller said:

It's a tangent, so I apologise, but hate exists.
If you've managed to personally banish it, then I commend you, but your belief in it or otherwise doesn't change its existence.

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You are right, hate exists in humans (it also rears it's head in me now and then; I have not managed yet to banish it).
But what I meant is, that IF God exists I do not believe that God is into "Hate business" as I read in some Scriptures.

There is lots of hate in humans, so it would be a miracle not to find "hate" in these Scriptures which were written by humans.
But for me it's not helpful to believe in Hell and a God who is punishing and full of hate.

Augustus said:

If the 'One True God' created the universe with a purpose and laid down specific tenets for leading the good life, whether you like them or not isn't really that important.

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It's not if you're a slave, that's true.

stvdv said:

You are right, hate exists in humans (it also rears it's head in me now and then; I have not managed yet to banish it).
But what I meant is, that IF God exists I do not believe that God is into "Hate business" as I read in some Scriptures.

There is lots of hate in humans, so it would be a miracle not to find "hate" in these Scriptures which were written by humans.
But for me it's not helpful to believe in Hell and a God who is punishing and full of hate.

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Ah, gotya. Thanks for the clarification.

stvdv said:

Wrong: "But people don't grow limbs back" ... you did not see it, I did

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So, you claim to have witnessed a human with a severed limb, growing that limb back?

Ya, excuse me while I roll my eyes, shrug my shoulders and consider you a liar or extremely delusional.

Wrong: "but the fact is that such stuff simply doesn't happen." ... you have never experienced it, I did

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Be serious. You never witnessed someone with a severed limb, growing that limb back.

Exactly ... useless to share my experiences with you. You will just answer "so you claim"

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Depends. If your experience was "I saw a great movie last night" or "I ate a delicious hamburger", I'll likely just believe you. If your experience was "I witnessed an amputee grow his limbs back", I won't be believing you. And I might question your sanity if I you REALLY believe that yourself.

So indeed it is your fantasy. I did experience and see things you never experienced or saw.

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Very likely. Just like I experienced and saw things you never experienced or saw. We are different people after all. For example, maybe you did a bungee jump once - I never did.

But let's be serious: you never witnessed an amputee grow his limbs back.
Just like you never witnessed an apple falling "up", or just keep floating mid-air, instead of falling down.

Hence you are right to say "In my experience this is impossible or whatever"

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It's not just "my experience" that makes certain things impossible. It's the laws of nature.
That's what "impossible" means... it means that for the thing, whatever it is, to happen, laws of nature would have to be violated or suspended. That is what "impossible" means in that context.

So yea, amputees growing their limbs back? No.....

You are wrong to say "it is a fact that this can never happen"

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No, I'm not. Only things within the confines of the possible (= in accordance to natural law) can happen.
Things that require natural law to be violated or suspended, can not happen.

This is why when you drop your keys on this planet, they fall down. Ever single time.

I don't shove anything down your throat at all. And when I say "No, I don't share", you give a negative belittling reply. So after all glad I did not share my experiences.

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Good that you don't shove things down throats. That, however, doesn't make discussion impossible.
Nore does it make your claims rational.

Kuddo's to you if you aren't like that and are a "secular theist" yourself. Great. Awesome.
But that doesn't stop us from having a discussion on what is actually true.
And it is useless to talk about what is true, when it comes to spirituality. Unless you have personally experienced it and are open to it

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What makes you think that "personal experience" reflects what is actually true?
I'm sure there are LOADS of "personal experiences" where YOU will also completely disagree with the interpretation of the people claiming those experiences. Right?

So, what makes YOUR personal experience any different?

Ow don't get me wrong, I don't give a rat's behind about what you think about atheism or not.
Good to know.

So I decide to agree to disagree on all of this.

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Ok. I don't. I don't "agree to disagree" on matters of reality. Things are either true or false when it comes to the context of reality.