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Go to trump rally or don't get paid

Sand Dancer

Crazy Cat Lady
The national socialist party began in the 1920s in Bavaria. They promoted many standard socialist ideas

Read up on it

Yes, but it lost power when Hitler got popular. He banned the socialists and had them killed or imprisoned. He used the name to gather people to his party, it's in name only.
 
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Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Unless he gave them a raise the going rate is 50.00
Trump’s campaign had hired actors to attend Trump’s announcement event held at Trump Tower on June 16 and Donald Trump’s team denied this? I’m sure you will be shocked to learn that it’s true. Yes, an FEC document confirmed it.
https://www.politicususa.com/2017/01/20/fec-inadvertently-confirms-donald-trump-paid-actors-attend-announcement-event.html
Something pulled somebody's something out of somethings nether region.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
He was socialist growing up but turned away from his family's views. You can call it what you want. It's what is used that is important.

No he turned from pacifism which is a view that developed within communism during the Internationals. It split the movement especially as Stalin started purging those he could reach.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
It's interesting socialism preceeded communism. There is however , an uncanny similarity between left and right totalitarianism.

Totalitarianism is still totalitarianism. The only difference is what type of "smile" and BS is sold to the public to get them on board.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
It was during work hours, correct ? These workers sell their time to their employer, correct ? They employer determines how they use that time, correct ?

So you have absolutely no beef. Just like in communist countries.

A tiny tempest in a tea pot. The employer could have cancelled work and thus pay for the entire plant. They allowed them to get their regular pay without having to work at their job. Very generous, just like in communist countries.

How many in the crowd were at work, getting paid, and attended the rally ?

What difference does it make to you if their employer paid them on their work day, and they attended a rally ?
It's really sad that you do not understand.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
When I saw it on TV, I noticed the crowd was not reacting the same as the usual Trump Sheeple crowd...

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A lot of these people look downright pi$$ed.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
It was during work hours, correct ? These workers sell their time to their employer, correct ? They employer determines how they use that time, correct ?
The employer doesn't decide unilaterally. The employer's only free to direct the employee within the limits of the employee's contract or collective agreement (as the case may be).

As someone who claims to have managed staff, this is really something you ought to have already known.

In order to compel staff to attend or go without pay, Shell argued that the rally was a "training session" and that Trump was a "speaker" in this training. This is transparent bull****, of course.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
As he often does, Beau makes some really good points. The point about the meshing of Government and Corporate interests is particularly apt and is something I have been saying for a while now


(and I also loved the mention of bartenders)
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Facism is an offshoot of socialism. Always has been.

They're all derived from the same ideological source as any form of government which favors "The People" as a viable political entity (as opposed to previous eras where the divine right of kings and monarchist rule was the order of the day).

As our own Constitution starts off with "We The People," this concept shares much in common with the German "Volk" or the Russian "Narod."

It's all about the good of "the people" as a whole, although this concept need not align itself with any particular economic system, which can be either capitalistic or socialistic - depending on which system is deemed more effective and utilitarian for the nation as a whole.

It can be a mixture of both socialism and capitalism, but that also requires a certain level of ideological flexibility - a quality which most capitalists of today simply do not have. They are far too intransigent, inflexible, and myopic to recognize the consequences of what they're doing.
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
The employer doesn't decide unilaterally. The employer's only free to direct the employee within the limits of the employee's contract or collective agreement (as the case may be).

As someone who claims to have managed staff, this is really something you ought to have already known.

In order to compel staff to attend or go without pay, Shell argued that the rally was a "training session" and that Trump was a "speaker" in this training. This is transparent bull****, of course.
As someone who claims to have managed staff, I can tell you that most employeeś in the US have neither a contract or collective bargaining agreement.

Choosing an offered position is based upon the position being defined by an approved job description.

This is an outline, not an exhaustive list of every possible task the employee may be asked to do.

Policies related to employees, and their job, change, and the employee is expected follow them.

Reorganizations occur, and these can impact a specific task and how it is done.

I know this because I claim to have managed staff.

To this specific event. A private employer has the right to determine the days and hours the employees will work.

No one was compelled to attend this event. Those who chose to attend were paid their regular pay for activities during their normal work day.

Those who chose not to attend could go home.

Right, wrong, whatever, perfectly legal,
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
No one was compelled to attend this event. Those who chose to attend were paid their regular pay
You really don't see an ethical problem with paying people, up to $700, to attend a political event?

If everyone got paid the same, and attendance was voluntary, do you think the promoters would have gotten the same response?
Those who chose not to attend could go home.
And get stiffed out of a days pay. Legality aside, do you think that is right?
Tom
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
As someone who claims to have managed staff, I can tell you that most employeeś in the US have neither a contract or collective bargaining agreement.
Doubtful, but the unionized employees at this rally certainly had a collective agreement.

Choosing an offered position is based upon the position being defined by an approved job description.

This is an outline, not an exhaustive list of every possible task the employee may be asked to do.
And in this case, the job descriptions of these staff members includes that they attend required training. Shell has argued that the rally counted as "training" and therefore was reasonably part of their expected job duties.

Do you agree with this justification?
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
You really don't see an ethical problem with paying people, up to $700, to attend a political event?
That is ethically problematic. But it is even worse to take $700 away from somebody for not attending a political event. Some of these people may be supporting families on that money and could not possibly go without it.
 
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