Curious George
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That is a clever way to skirt the question.
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Planned Parenthood at it again!
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Because children need competent adult guidance to grow into competent adults.
I'm not saying all parents are competent. I know that's not true. But if the child's parents are insufficiently competent to deal with the problem then some other solution is needed. If the child doesn't want them to know, but can't explain why to another competent adult(such as a judge), then I doubt that the child is competent to handle the issue that resulted in a crisis pregnancy.
If she's so smart and self aware, why doesn't she just tell her parents? If she can deal with risky sex and the problems that creates, just deal with the parents.
If she can't deal with her parents, she probably needs help that they can provide. But only if they know about the problem.
Hiding the problem, sweeping it under the rug, isn't likely to help anybody.
Tom
Application?
Simple enough, sex is a natural act common to most organisms on earth. Marriage is custom
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Those who believe the parent should have absolute knowledge and control over their teenaged child's sex life, health, options, and choices present a belief that is problematic for society as a whole. Unwanted and unplanned pregnancies that could have been prevented, needless spread of STIs, false beliefs about what causes pregnancies and STIs in general, and false information about sex in general are a result of such beliefs. It's why so much of the rest of the world decided its an issue of public health and concern, because it is.
That would require completely overhauling and redefining what all constitutes as abuse. Denying birth control and family planning to your child based on religious grounds isn't reason for abuse. But it's not in the best interest of the child.
Perhaps you didn't read my post. I didn't suggest that.
Tom
I didn't skirt anything. We force people into psychiatric care all the time, so why would I be against it if it saves the child's life? Maybe the child's care should be decided by others who are more informed when both the parents and the child are going to make bad decisions.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Not directly, but reasons a child may seek medical care without notifying their patent will not necessarily be reasons to have the child placed in another home/abuse.
In other words.
Tom, you didn't say that. So, rather than respond to what you said I'll make up a strawman argument and respond to that.
Got it.
Tom
Yes and no IMO. But the context is 20+ year olds should be "getting it on" with 14 year olds. Marriage Custom or not.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
A strawman is a false presentation into something its not. You did say if a child has reason to withhold medical information they should probably be placed with a different custodial unit. I pointed out that withholding medical information from a parent is not an indication of abuse and not ground for placing the child. Its not a strawman, it's called a rebuttal.
And I'm sticking by it.
If a child can't explain to their parents why they're having a crisis pregnancy, maybe the child isn't capable of making their own decisions.
I doubt that sweeping the problem under the rug by killing the unborn infant is going to fix whatever the problem is.
Much less killing the baby, then sending the child back to the circumstances that caused the problem in the first place.
If the child's parents are demonstrably unable to deal with the issue, then the child shouldn't be sent back to such an ugly place! Get a court order or something.
Don't just send her back to the place she came from and hope that this game will be different. That's BS, and you know it.
Tom
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
You can stick to it all you want. There is no court that will remove the children from a household or terminate parental rights of not sharing medical information is the only thing presented to a judge. It alone, and for good reason, does not demonstrate or suggest abuse because kids keep things secret from their parents.
Well maybe Trump's SCOTUS will change that.
Tom
ETA ~Or maybe we should call it Bernie Sanders' court. He brought down Clinton~
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Same here. In fact a good friend of Trump's got himself into a huge mess because of that. Suicide was the answer.
Shad
Veteran Member
States have been passing laws which allows minors to make their own choice typically regarding conception, pregnancy, STD/HIV, and abortion. Not all states but typical hovering around 40 to 60% depending on procedure.
Curious George
Veteran Member
Just seems a little arbitrary. PP must notify a parent if the child is 17.9 years but 18 and they don't? And it seems you want to put the onus on the provider. I might be able to understand if you said share records when formally requested. But you said that they should tell the parents. If our worry is about whether or not a teenager can make a competent medical decision then I am not so sure the line is reasonably 18.
Curious George
Veteran Member
I was correct. You do not understand my beliefs. Try reading again and asking questions if you don't understand.
Curious George
Veteran Member
You misunderstood. You are the parent and want your daughter to have anabortion because carrying the baby to term will have severe and life threatening consequences. You are a parent and want your daughter to undergo cancer therapy because not doing so will result in a substantial likelihood of her death.
Should her opinion carry the day at 11 years of age? Or do you have a right to intervene? Parents and guardians have the right to make medical decisions for their child. This is true over the child's choices to a point. The parent enjoys a legal presumption that they are acting in the child's best interests. This can however be challenged and the presumption can be overcome. The same is not true for a 45 year old woman. That is because a child does not have the same rights as an adult.