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It's not a problem for animals to have sex with the same sex

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Wasp

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Why is it sinful for man?

Are there any homosexual animals?
That many humans are homosexual is well known but we also know the behaviour is extremely common across the animal kingdom, from insects to mammals. So what's really going on? Can these animals actually be called homosexual?

....... For some animals, homosexual behaviour isn't an occasional event – which we might put down to simple mistakes – but a regular thing....

...... "So many females of the group are engaging in this behaviour and there are males sitting around twiddling their thumbs," he says. "There's got to be a reason for this. There is no way the behaviour can be evolutionarily irrelevant.".....

...... In both cases, the males are using homosexual behaviour as a roundabout way to fertilise more females. So it's clear how these behaviours could be favoured by evolution. But it's also clear that fruit flies and flour beetles are a long way from strictly homosexual.....

.... "What's been described is that many animals are happy to engage in sex with partners of either sex."
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Rival

Rival

Si m'ait Dieus
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Humans copying animals generally doesn't lead to the most civilised behaviour.

Even if you support homosexual sex, this argument is bad.
 
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Wasp

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Rival said:
Humans copying animals generally doesn't lead to the most civilised behaviour.

Even if you support homosexual sex, this argument is bad.
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Copying? Are we copying them because we have legs and because we die? No, we're just similar creatures.

I never said I support homosexual sex, if you're referring to me, nor is this an argument. It's a question.
 
Rival

Rival

Si m'ait Dieus
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Wasp said:
Copying? Are we copying them because we have legs and because we die? No, we're just similar creatures.

I never said I support homosexual sex, if you're referring to me, nor is this an argument. It's a question.
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I wasn't referring to you specifically, but the argument. The argument that 'Animals do x therefore why can't humans?' is just a really bad argument. Given that the OP compares the two, that's the impression I have.
 
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InChrist

InChrist

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Wasp said:
Why is it sinful for man?

Are there any homosexual animals?
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The concept of sin is from the scriptures and according to the scriptures humans, not animals, were made in God's image and designed By God to function and live in certain ways and not others, So I'd say that according to God's design for humans, homosexual sex is sinful or wrong because it is outside of God's design for the best way for humans to function and interact, irregardless of animal behavior. Although, the large majority of animals practice heterosexual sex for reproduction and the scriptures also reveal that this world is in a fallen state so that all of nature is corrupted, which would include the animals. So looking to animal behavior is not necessarily wise.
 
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Wasp

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InChrist said:
The concept of sin is from the scriptures and according to the scriptures humans, not animals, were made in God's image and designed By God to function and live in certain ways and not others, So I'd say that according to God's design for humans, homosexual sex is sinful or wrong because it is outside of God's design for the best way for humans to function and interact, irregardless of animal behavior. Although, the large majority of animals practice heterosexual sex for reproduction and the scriptures also reveal that this world is in a fallen state so that all of nature is corrupted, which would include the animals. So looking to animal behavior is not necessarily wise.
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But God doesn't really say anywhere it's wrong to be specific. The whole claim has a major hole in it. It's all speculation.
 
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Wasp

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Rival said:
I wasn't referring to you specifically, but the argument. The argument that 'animals do x therefore why can't humans?' is just a really bad argument. Given that the OP compares the two, that's the impression I have.
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It's not why can't they, but why is it sinful. A lot of people who think gay sex is absurd, disgusting and sinful don't even recognize this. They think God wouldn't create animals like that.
 
InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
Wasp said:
But God doesn't really say anywhere it's wrong to be specific. The whole claim has a major hole in it. It's all speculation.
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If you don't understand "why" homosexual sex/relationships are wrong in God's perspective,( the God as revealed in the biblical scriptures), then you must not have read the Bible, understood it, nor understood who God is and the image of who God is revealed through male and female qualities.
 
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Polymath257

Polymath257

Think & Care
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InChrist said:
If you don't understand "why" homosexual sex/relationships are wrong in God's perspective,( the God as revealed in the biblical scriptures), then you must not have read the Bible, understood it, nor understood who God is and image of who God is revealed through male and female qualities.
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Did God ever describe his reasoning for why gay sex is bad? Other, that is, than he doesn't like it?
 
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Wasp

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InChrist said:
If you don't understand "why" homosexual sex/relationships are wrong in God's perspective,( the God as revealed in the biblical scriptures), then you must not have read the Bible, understood it, nor understood who God is and image of who God is revealed through male and female qualities.
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No. I haven't read the bible, but the Qur'an, and similar logic is used in general of the Qur'an. Meaning homosexuality is comdemned and the activity detested etc.

But as far as I know the Bible doesn't strictly speak of homosexuality. Neither does the Qur'an.
 
PoetPhilosopher

PoetPhilosopher

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InChrist said:
I don't think it is a matter of whether God "doesn't like it", rather it is outside of His design and therefore not optimal or beneficial for anyone.
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So He designed male and female humans, and for the most part male and female animals, but as soon as animals evolve a certain point and develop human traits, they no longer are designed for it?
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Wasp said:
Everything. He designed everything. Specifically now referring to homosexuality, sex and intercourse with the same sex among humans and animals.
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God did not design body parts to go with any or all body parts.
God designed specific body parts to go with specific body parts.
Some humans then misused their body parts, putting them where they do not belong.
What more can I say?
 
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