sooda
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It didn't happen.. Just like there was NO census and Herod didn't slaughter the baby boys.
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It's a green truck -- mismanagement of verses from the Tanakh
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It didn't happen.. Just like there was NO census and Herod didn't slaughter the baby boys.
Again, denying what happened doesn't validate your position.
sooda
Veteran Member
Matthew's story is found in no other gospel, and the Jewish historian Josephus does not mention it in his Antiquities of the Jews (c. AD 94), which records many of Herod's misdeeds including the murder of three of his own sons.
Most modern biographers of Herod dismiss the story as an invention. Classical historian Michael Grant, for instance, stated "The tale is not history but myth or folk-lore".
It appears to be modeled on Pharaoh's attempt to kill the Israelite children (Exodus 1:22), and more specifically on various elaborations of the original story that had become current in the 1st century.
The key word here is "modern". But their position notably absent the closer we get to the actual event.
There are many historical facts that are mentioned in one gospel and not the other,. Did you want them to convene together to match all their stories? Josephus isn't an all inclusive biographical history on Herod.
Denying what happened doesn't validate your position.
sooda
Veteran Member
Exodus is also a myth.
So we have an old, suicidal king who was known to do bad things, but only really for immediate effect. We know he left his kingdom in turmoil, not caring for its future of his legacy. Why the hell, then, is he concerned about killing innocent children in the hope that he stops a Messiah who won’t come to fruition in 20-30 years? All this based on an obscure prophecy he or his scribes had not previously known about? Furthermore, Herod could easily have sent troops with, or accompanied the Magi himself, in hunting down the baby (p. 109-10):
Herod would never have slaughtered the innocents • A ...
December 14, 2014 • A Tippling Philosopher.
Tumah
Veteran Member
I have four kids. Surely I have fulfilled the prophecy that stateth 2+2 =4
Do you think they were born ...just... knowing everything? The priests who studied knew, the priests who didn't, didn't. In earlier years, the tribe of Levi and perhaps Issachar were known to be more studious. By the Second Temple? Not quite as much.
Last time because this is circular ...
Denying something doesn't validate your position.
sooda
Veteran Member
In an age of science and technology, too much of the Bible is simply unbelievable to today’s mind and turns people away from the underlying messages. From a scientific standpoint, many of the “facts” in the Bible are simply wrong. One of many examples: according to Genesis, the universe is just over 6000 years old.
Many of the stories are also scientifically impossible, like the tale of Joshua stopping the sun moving across the sky. This story assumes (as was the thinking then) that the earth was flat and was at the center of the universe. We simply know this to be false. Second, for the sun to stop would mean that the earth would have to cease rotating on its axis — an event which would destroy the planet.
For many of the miracle stories, natural explanations exist. The authors of these stories lived in an age when people believed that solar eclipses were divine omens, disease was divine punishment, and mental illness was caused by demon possession.
They still believe in demon possession in some African countries.
sooda
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Tumah
Veteran Member
From what?
sooda
Veteran Member
From going to church...….
Tumah
Veteran Member
I don't find that upsetting at all.
Sounds like you need to get out a little more.
sooda
Veteran Member
Good. ..
Jesus alienated much of the society at large. Come to think of it, the world seems to be abounding in alienating displays regardless of the Bible.
sooda
Veteran Member
Just the hypocrites among the Pharisees.
Ancient Jerusalem: The Village, the Town, the City ...
https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-sites-places/jerusalem/ancient...
Jan 11, 2019 · Overall, however, the area comprises only about 11–12 acres. Geva estimates the population of the city during this period at between 500 and 700 “at most.” (Previously other prominent scholars had estimated Jerusalem’s population in this period as 880–1,100, 1,000, 2,500, 3,000; still this is hardly what we would consider a metropolis.)
Your understanding of how people lived in those times seems to be limited. Do you think everyone lived within the city walls?
sooda
Veteran Member
Some lived in villages of less than 100 people. Joshua had no conquering armies.. They didn't have the population and couldn't feed them.
Additionally, as an example, Daytona has a population of 65,000 (but not everyone lives within the limits) but grows to 500,000 during Bike Week. No different that the Passover in the time of Jesus
Tumah
Veteran Member
Are you aware of what you're saying here?
The scientifically problematic part of this narrative for you, is that it appears to make the claim that the earth is flat, because if it actually happened, knowing as we do that the earth is round, it would mean the destruction of the planet.
Someone else might have said that within the miraculous event of a human being causing the sun to appear to stop moving, was the earth's maintenance despite it's cessation of movement.